Guard work and security

Hiya as anyone done any guard or security work with they dog or dogs?

Sorry, I haven't.

I have with guarding breeds (rotties/gsds/dobies) in kennels, but not staffies, they're majorly unsuited to it. Why do you want to know? Don't get your girl into all of that crap!

Nope, Moo would be bloody useless

me nether,im sure sash would lick them to bits and let them take what ever they wanted   

Axl would show them to all the good stuff and then trot along home with them lol not a guard bone in his body which in happy about!

No Daisy would be terrible at it, if I got burgled she'd be trying to lick the burglars while they carried out the telly!   staffys just aren't guard dogs!

No, Staffs aren't natural guard dogs   

My Flo would simply open one eye, turn her head to look and then go straight back to sleep.. A guard dog she ain't  

Darcy is a scardy cat. But I agree with above it's definitely not suited for Staffords.

Suki would not be suited for it

My cats make better guards than Iza does   

Snoop would of walked to the fridge and waited for a treat. Lula likes everyone to know she here and makes alot of noise. I cant even have the bedroom window open if she in bed with me because she growls if she hears something. If they came in the front door and made a fuss of her or offered cheese all my stuff would be gone   My sister had a staff and another dog and has been robbed twice   

Dizz may sound scary and aggressive and bless him he will guard me on a night walk but in the house nope just gets excited and wants to lick you!

I have a friend in Italy who has trained her staffy to be an attack dog, its very disturbing to see a staffy attacking the trainer even if he is all kitted out in a protective suit. She has her reasons for training her dog to do this she is a victim of crime and her dog gives her the confidence to lead a normal life again. The dog is a normal friendly staffy who loves to play, he does not gaurd the house just his mistresse.

The reasons for this question was.1)I saw a vid on you tube of staffs bein used as security dog and even now police using them as potential sniffer dogs.2)The program i saw other night on dangerous dogs showed a staff as a guard dog even though the women trained so wrong at this.3)Didnt a staff recently kill its owner?.

And before people get on the high horses know i dont want an aggressive killer dog far from just want it be able take care of its self.As i said before i see some big staffs about so you think they could look after them selves.

Sniffer dogs aren't used for guarding.. They're used for sniffing. The idiots on that programme were amateurs at best and those dogs were trained through physical abuse and poor socialisation to be aggressive. Staffordshire bull terriers were bred as companion dogs for sport with other animals, but above all they had to be level with all people in order to be handled in high arousal situations. Why would your dog ever need to look after itself :S surely you're there to protect your dog, not the other way around :/ and what difference does it make if a staff killed their owner? Guarding is just that; guarding. Not attacking. Decent guard dogs will not bite until required, they're not there to kill. Personally I think it's pathetic training dogs to be aggressive, and I've spent the last 5 years of my professional career rehabilitating dogs that have been trained (poorly) by these losers. Including my own dog, who is still aggressive with strangers due to this conditioning.

as the others have said staffies just dont make good gaurd dogs as they are way too people friendly, although saying that they do take well to schutzhund training but a well trained schutzhund staffy would more likely still let anyone climb over the wall into its property unless you are there to give its attack/protect command. some dog however are more territorial and protective than others as with all breeds, no 2 dogs are the same.

Why can't you just enjoy your puppy without turning her into something she's clearly not? You didn't look for a guard dog and from your questions it's obvious you won't know what to do with one.
Be good to her a d work with her and it will pay out being aggressive wont make her guard dog but might make her switch on you.

the woman of that show didnt teach the staff to be a guard dog, she taught it to be fearfull of people and then use its fear instinct to react to anyone.
A guard dog sences danger and reacts accordingly which is why big shepherds like the GSD and the awsome Malinois make excellent guard dogs.
They are protectors of the herd and that trait lends itsef well to protecting humans and property with some good training.

Staffs dont have the genetic trait to such a high level which is why they dont make very good guard dogs. A top trainer in South africa made a commant on them once that they look the part but would only ever be good as a visual deterant.

At the end of the day if it was you being attacked and your dog loves you it will most likley help protect you anyway in that situation. as for property, unless the burglers around here start dressing up as cats or deer they dont have a worry from my two.

Nathan wrote: as for property, unless the burglers around here start dressing up as cats or deer they dont have a worry from my two.

  
Peppa is guarding the door fiercely and when I was away she didn't let my Neigbour that she loves normally come in and feed her only her dad could pass the door. So if I'm away I have to let the other person come in my place before I go to show her it's ok. I think its very good for a staffy But this is nothing to compare to the gsd i had they know before you when something is wrong the problem was to control her .

I agree with everything said about, why would you want your dog to??? I am always the one looking out for my dog, not him looking out for me, trying to train her to do that would just end up ruining a lovely dog, as Rachel said she's spent years of her life, as have many helping these dogs who have been trained by idiots.
Loki will stop at dog jumping at Eli now and he does It because we are his family and he loves us

Sorry if my message on people on they high horses that wasnt my intension.It was just i saw a doc or vid on you tube of a guy using is staffs as security.I just know they are big staffs about that are around 30kg so thought it was possibly.Also my staff is a bit soft when around other dogs and as had a couple of incidents where they have tried to bite her and it would just be nice if she could defend her self a bit thats all not rip other dogs apart just plain simple stick up for her self.

Also my staff is a bit soft when around other dogs and as had a couple of incidents where they have tried to bite her and it would just be nice if she could defend her self a bit thats all not rip other dogs apart just plain simple stick up for her self.

I think the general message above is about your quote right there It's up to you to protect your dog from being attacked, be visual, if a dog comes over watch his/her body language, if it seems aggressive or you don't like the look of it body block it, tell it to go away do whatever you can to prevent it coming over to your dog. I have to do this regularly with Axl I don't expect him to defend himself I make sure he doesn't have to.

Also, your dog will "defend herself" in her own way, dogs are good at deflecting aggression they will do whatever they can to not get into a fight and only as a last result will it escalate to aggression. It's natural instinct and it will develop over time it's definitley not something you can train her to do.

I would prefer loki to not defend himself just because of the way the law and media is, your poor baby would get the brunt of it even if she didn't start it...sucks but teaching her to stick up for herself, will only inforce the stereotype for some people. But I agree with debs, look out for her.

Can only echo Debs comment, if she's continually in situations that make her fearful, and you aren't defending her, then she will either become fearfully aggressive (irrationally, not just when she needs to be) or she will become more submissive, and more fearful. You need to step up and protect her. If a dog approaches Biscuit (who is fearfully aggressive with other dogs and people) I body block them and shout for their owners and command them to go away myself, they never get to make contact with Biscuit. Embrace the fact that your girl is a kind, sensitive dog. Don't push her to be what she's not, or you could potentially end up with a very screwed up dog.

Count yourself lucky. I SO wish my dog wasn't fear aggressive to other dogs. He will go for any dog that comes near, this causes us a lot of stress and stops us taking him to so many places we'd like to. I would love to have a friendly calm dog. No matter what, you are always going to get idiots that let their unfriendly dogs approach yours. If she "defended" herself it could turn into a much more nasty and damaging fight. Like Debs is saying, by her being "soft" she is deflecting worse aggression.

Im new here and new to staffys but have had dogs all my life and never wanted one to be a guard dog however this is my own personal take on it.

A guard dog should not be viscous simple barking when strangers approach the yard is normally enough to warn people off and alert you, and you don't want this behavior while walking the dog.

If there is a problem with another dog while walking you want the dog to look to you for what to do not just attack on its own, in the family group you don't have the kids defend the parents the kid or dog should be trusting enough to know that you will not put them in danger and this means identifying problem animals before you get close to them.

On a walk if I'm worried about specific dog I will move away before we get to it.

Also guard dog or not if it bites some one the dog may end up in the pound on death row and I wouldnt want that to happen to a family pet.

Cheers

Marquez is definitely not suited to guard work - he will go up and sniff & lick or open 1 eye if he's sleeping and neither is he to sniffing. His past owner brought him and he lived in a K9 security kennel with rottweilers all his life - his plan was to train Marquez as a sniffer dog but he just wasn't suitable for it which is why he decided to sell Marquez. Lucky for us though as we got the best dog EVER

Be carefull what you want!! a dog aggresive pet is a pain in the arse, one of my girls is DA and its horrible that she cannot socializes with friends dogs and you have to always be on the look out for problems, she was abused as a puppy before we got her so its not her fault and she has come a long way with consistant training and love but its a lot harder to untrain DA than it is to make a dog DA.