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Post by jmk Mon Nov 18 2013, 09:46

Im not sure If I should have Roxy neutered or let her have one lot of pups.. I Hear two things one you should always let a bitch have one litter then get her neutered. And others get her neutered around 6mths old? Is there any benefit if I let her have one litter first? But even If I did let her have one litter it wont be until she is 2 years old.
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Post by Guest Mon Nov 18 2013, 10:01

Personally jay I'd leave the breeding up to the professionals, there are no health benefits from her having a litter, there are lots of questions too,
Is she a healthy example of the breed and is the stud dog too?
Could you raise the puppys if anything should go wrong ?
Do you have all loving homes ready for all the puppys ?
Do you have the finances in place to care for the puppys, medical treatments, microchips etc. ?

I've no doubt there are many more questions to ask too have a read through this :- https://staffy-bull-terrier.niceboard.com/t29736-do-i-need-to-breed



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Post by janey Mon Nov 18 2013, 10:02

Simple answer no. No benefits and unless you know what you are doing leave it to those that do.
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Post by Guest Mon Nov 18 2013, 10:06

Let's not forget the thousands of unwanted Staffies in rescues waiting for forever homes. Sad

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Post by LKH Mon Nov 18 2013, 10:08

x2 .. Too many babies being bred and bought for the wrong reasons!!
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Post by Guest Mon Nov 18 2013, 10:12

Leave breeding to the professionals, there are enough homebred pups by owners who shouldn't really breed!

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Post by Kathy Mon Nov 18 2013, 10:13

I also agree with those above, there is no benefit to her having a litter, are health checks in place etc etc. Please leave it to those who know what they are doing and are set up for any complications that may arrise.
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Post by jmk Mon Nov 18 2013, 12:15

I Didint say I was going to breed her I was asking for your point of view.Plus even if I was Going to she is nowhere near 2yrs old. But ill probably not anyway Wink 
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Post by Guest Mon Nov 18 2013, 13:35

I'm not convinced tbh. But if you do it you probably wont want to post it on here "hi pups are six weeks old now and ready to go" as others who have posted this post have done.

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Post by Guest Mon Nov 18 2013, 13:39

jmk wrote:I Didint say I was going to breed her I was asking for your point of view.Plus even if I was Going to she is nowhere near 2yrs old. But ill probably not anyway Wink 
You asked whether or not to breed or neuter,,,,,,, Im not sure If I should have Roxy neutered or let her have one lot of pups..


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Post by jmk Mon Nov 18 2013, 13:42

Yes but I guess I just wanted to know if theirs anything in the let them have one litter thing.
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Post by Guest Mon Nov 18 2013, 13:50

Most DEFINITELY not. There's no advantages for her health if she has a litter, more so risk of things not going right, risk of infection ect. Would you know what to do if anything went wrong? I'm guessing not so I'd leave it for the breeders. My girl was neutered before 6 months old as her owners had done it before she came into rescue and she's never had a problem. (I don't condone doing it early than six months, just giving an example of my healthy, happy girl whose never had a season or puppies)

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Post by jmk Mon Nov 18 2013, 13:53

I would never put Roxy health at risk thats why I was asking ..Thanks
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Post by Guest Mon Nov 18 2013, 13:58

No problem jay always best to know first Smile

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Post by Guest Mon Nov 18 2013, 14:05

Yes as Hayley said, always good to have information and know what options are available/best Smile

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Post by Guest Mon Nov 18 2013, 16:22

jmk wrote: I Hear two things one you should always let a bitch have one litter then get her neutered. And others get her neutered around 6mths old?
Neither of these is right!Big Grin 

It's an old wives' tale that it's best to let a bitch have one litter. It has no health benefits, and can even make a bitch broody for more, resulting in phantom pregnancies and an increased risk of pyometra.

But it's also not correct that they should be neutered before 6 months old. Early neutering (ie done before full maturity, before about 18 months-2 years) results in a leggier, narrower dog as the closure of the growth plates is delayed. You also can be left with a dog suffering from permanent puppy syndrome, urinary incontinence, poor developement of the genital area (resulting in urinary burn) and an increased risk of bone cancer.

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Post by jmk Mon Nov 18 2013, 16:29

So wait until she is 18 months before getting her neutered ? Well I guess the vet wont do it before then anyway Smile 
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Post by Guest Mon Nov 18 2013, 16:38

At least 18 months, yes. PreferablY two years.

I don't neuter at all, but I understand that a lot of people want to. As long as your dog or bitch is mentally & physically mature you'll get the all the pro's and very few con's!

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Post by jmk Mon Nov 18 2013, 16:51

If you dont neuter is it not a pain when in season and all the dogs in the area are around and cant even take her out coz of the male dogs.
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Post by Guest Mon Nov 18 2013, 18:44

I don't neuter either and i wouldn't neuter a bitch, my intact male has no interest in an in season bitch so not every dog will cause problems!

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Post by cesca1 Mon Nov 18 2013, 22:33

I'd get her neutered sooner rather than later if you think you'd be tempted to breed her. We had molly done after her first season and she's a beautiful girl Smile
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Post by jmk Mon Nov 18 2013, 22:37

Im Not tempted to breed her I was asking is it best to have one litter first or not... Plus she is only 14 weeks 3 day so a long way off 2 yrs old Big Grin Big Grin 
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Post by cesca1 Mon Nov 18 2013, 22:39

She's a beautiful girl Smile
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Post by jmk Mon Nov 18 2013, 22:40

cesca1 wrote:She's a beautiful girl Smile
Thank You Blushing 
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Post by Guest Mon Nov 18 2013, 23:16

Hi JMK, I understand your concerns as you want the best for your pup.

I too was told (several times) and many, many years ago that every bitch should have one litter. The sentiment behind that being that the bitch would have her maternal instincts satisfied and thereafter be a happy, contented bitch whether or not spayed afterwards. I'm a bit surprised that this old wives tale is still going the rounds, but please believe me it is sentiment only. What a bitch has never had she'll never miss.

At the other end of the scale, vets these days have got it into their heads that all puppies (male or female) should be neutered at 6 months old. This, tbh, is too young - they haven't finished growing yet and the cutting off of hormones can cause the effects that Caryll has outlined above.

In all honesty, dogs of whatever sex should be allowed to grow and mature as nature intended. Then neuter if that is best for your dog and you.

Yes, seasons in a bitch can be a bit of a nuisance, but not unmanageable especially as these days you can get special nappies for them, and certainly not as much of a problem as having a pregnant bitch to look after, worry and expense at the birth, and cost of bringing up puppies until they can be found good homes for.

I would earnestly advise you to tread the middle line - don't neuter until at least after the second season, and don't breed her at all.

Hope this helps To Breed or not? 3198918699 

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Post by Guest Mon Nov 18 2013, 23:22

Lynda's advice above is perfect and nothing more to add , we have enough staffs in the world without adding to the problems . Simple maths says if your girl had 6 pups and all got 6 homes from staff lovers then that is 6 dogs in rescue without homes , please think about it

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Post by jmk Mon Nov 18 2013, 23:25

I am Not a breeder and have never done it or even seen it so It would all be new to me Plus like I said Im Not going to do it.. Now I know the one litter thing is not true ...Tongues 
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Post by Guest Mon Nov 18 2013, 23:32

jmk wrote: I am Not a breeder and have never done it or even seen it so It would all be new to me Plus like I said Im Not going to do it.. Now I know the one litter thing is not true ...Tongues 
Sorry I didnt read through the post before commenting fully , my bad Blushing  but good decision and the important thing is you asked , got the info and made a decision based on fact

Enjoy your girl Big Grin

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Post by jmk Mon Nov 18 2013, 23:34

Dave wrote:
jmk wrote: I am Not a breeder and have never done it or even seen it so It would all be new to me Plus like I said Im Not going to do it.. Now I know the one litter thing is not true ...Tongues 
Sorry I didnt read through the post before commenting fully , my bad Blushing  but good decision and the important thing is you asked , got the info and made a decision based on fact

Enjoy your girl Big Grin
Thank You I will Smile 
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Post by jmk Mon Nov 18 2013, 23:36

Makes you think how many do have pups coz they think they are keeping there bitch happy ....
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Post by Guest Mon Nov 18 2013, 23:39

I'm so glad you've thought this through, Jay.

I do hope we've helped you, and do please keep posting with updates on your lovely girl To Breed or not? 3198918699 

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Post by jmk Mon Nov 18 2013, 23:43

Lynda wrote:I'm so glad you've thought this through, Jay.

I do hope we've helped you, and do please keep posting with updates on your lovely girl To Breed or not? 3198918699 
Yes you all did help Thank you for that. I didint wanna do it deep down anyway see Roxy in pain and so on But Only think about doing it if it was best for her..But now I know it dont matter if she dont have a litter thanks all of you Big Grin 
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Post by Guest Tue Nov 19 2013, 00:09

thumbs up  You care about your dog, want to do the best for her and asked for advice, and we respect you for that.

We'd all love to hear more from you and Roxy; we all chat away on here Smile 

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Post by Guest Tue Nov 19 2013, 00:19

Am pleased you have had a think about it Smile it is a myth that still everything thinks is true, but very few ask before they breed, and they are causing our problems in rescues

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Post by Rachel33 Tue Nov 19 2013, 08:06

So glad you've decided for the best! Wish that bloody myth would stop doing the rounds now..
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