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We picking up a staff puppy in 4 weeks she will be 8 weeks old, I have seen the father and mother, we have been told if we want pedigree papers it will cost an extra £90 does this sound right? attached the pic of the pup do you think she looks like a full staff? Like i said ive seen the father he looked like a staff but was described as long legged had all the characteristics and was extremely friendly towards us and the mother looked short legged. any advice would be great thanks in advance.

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Hi and welcome to the forum from Rocky and I!

I'm from Australia so I'm not too sure about the process for obtaining the pedigree papers. Most of our members here are from the UK so will be able to help you out soon!

She is absolutely gorgeous though! She is very young so she still has lots of growing to do before you can really tell what she will look like.

Looking forward to seeing loads of pics and hearing lots about her!

Hi & welcome from darcy & me she's beautiful, but without papers you'll never no for sure if she's a full Stafford, I've heard of a breeder asking for more money for papers but why not just include the £90 in the final price and say she's registered. Id be a little wary, but I could be being over cautious, someone should be along shortly who can offer more advice

Hiya from me and Vinnie, my boy was already registered with papers, so not much help sorry. She is a little beaut though  

Hi and welcome from Tip and me. They still very small so hard to tell. Also never seen pups at that age. I'm sure one of those more experienced will be on soon. Gorgeous pups.

hia from me and sasha  ,gorgeous little pup  
were the mum and dad kc registered?

Sheep933 wrote:described as long legged

back yard breeder then :(how much did the pup cost?

Hiya from us

Hi thanks for the quick responses the pup is costing £300 for bitch £250 male which includes wormed / flea and vet checked, in regards to KC i'm not sure, I'm a first time dog owner but my wife grew up with dogs so its all new for me. Only concern is if its mixed with pitbull, but i have seen pictures of pitbulls and mum and dad look nothing like, The breeder seems very good pups and parents are well looked after she sends me weekly updated pictures and required an interview with us before she would sell, in case we were using the dog for all the wrong reasons

Hi and welcome from me and Daisy  

I've only rescued I'm afraid so not much help but I think KC registered pups are more expensive £500 ish?

I would check with the breeder if the parents have been health tested.

Hi and welcome to the forum from Rocky and me.

I would be cautious about buying any pup from any breeder, have you checked their credentials with the Kennel Club ? Sorry I cannot be of any more help I would always go to a rescue centre.

hi from me and the boys

As stated above i think she is a back yard breeder i was told this is the 2nd litter the mother has had.

Hi from the girls and me  

Hello and welcome to the forum from me and the kids

Hello and welcome to the forum

Hi, welcome to the forum!

To be honest, any breeder who charges more for registering the pups should be avoided! It costs nowhere near £90 to register the litter. The kc charge (I think) £15 per puppy, plus an extra £8 for a pedigree certificate, which most breeders hand write anyway. When you transfer the ownership of the pup from the breeder to yourself you can apply for a pedigree cert. at a small charge.

Do you know if the parents have been dna/health tested for the following...
http://www.staffords.co.uk/sbtbc/health_issues.htm

As Caryll says I would avoid this one sounds dodgy , breeders have a certain amount of time to register the litter , the £90 or part of it could be what his mate charges to register to his dogs . Generally you would not get a correctly registered or health tested KC pup for that kind of money and the fact ( as Steve says ) they talk about a long legged staff and also the bit about 90 quid more for papers just stinks to me . It doesn't matter how "good " they are they sound like BYBs and should not be supported . Fortunately for you , you have had the common sense to check first so don't have to make the mistake the hard way

Not the response i was hoping for thanks for the advice, due to collect her at the end of October i discuss with the better half and the BYB

Sheep933 wrote:Not the response i was hoping for thanks for the advice, due to collect her at the end of October i discuss with the better half and the BYB

What kind of response were you looking for ?? Sorry you lost me on that one ?? You came for advice didn't you and you have got it , so you are going ahead with it ?? Maybe I don't understand your reply

Sorry i will re-phase i the comments i have read i was hoping i wouldn't see but unfortunately that's the reality of the situation.

Sheep933 wrote:Sorry i will re-phase i the comments i have read i was hoping i wouldn't see but unfortunately that's the reality of the situation.  

OK now I understand , sorry for the confusion . 1 other thing is the age of the pups as you say you have weekly updates and are due to pick pup up in 4 weeks time , please don't tell me this is a pic of a 3-4 week old pup is it or I would say you are being had over even more.

Another very common trick of the BYB is to try and get you to take pup early as they are not feeding off mum etc etc, lie about age so you think pups are older , we have pretty much seen everything on here . What you must be aware of is that they should only leave at 8 weeks regardless as feeding or not they still have a lot to learn from mum and their littermates , sorry if I've jumped the gun on this one but putting 2 and 2 together from what you've told us already and the pic you posted

The BYB has told me we cannot have the puppy until she is 8 weeks and only then we can have her if she has passed the vet checks and is feeding independently, she also said if aren't happy on the day of collection we can leave her with mum for another week or until she is ready, it really difficult she seems such a nice person the parent dogs are in nice condition and live in a nice environment. Been told little date of birth was 5th September we are collecting on the 28th October

for clarity the picture was taken a 2.5 weeks old

Gonna be blunt, this is not a puppy i would be buying. But i would not buy a "pedigree dog" that is not KC reg already and both parents are kc reg and there is a paper trail. I sounds to me that someone has got two staffs and thought well they have a penis and a womb so why not make a bit of money with it.

Hi and welcome to the forum from me and the zoo xx

The pups in your photo look a fair bit younger than 2 & a half weeks old - I'd say, at a guess, no more than a week old. Maybe a misunderstanding with the breeder?

Seriously, though, if they are charging more to give you the registration papers then they are back yard breeders, only in it for the £s they can make by breeding their two pet staffords.

Have you seen the pedigrees of both sire & dam?

P.S. I don't know if you fully understand what a BYB is? It's a back yard breeder - ie, a breeder who doesn't do any health checks, breeds purely for the money the pups will raise, and quite often doesn't have Kennel Club registered dogs, although they say that they do.

hi and welcome from me and my two

Caryll wrote:P.S. I don't know if you fully understand what a BYB is? It's a back yard breeder - ie, a breeder who doesn't do any health checks, breeds purely for the money the pups will raise, and quite often doesn't have Kennel Club registered dogs, although they say that they do.

Some will even fake KC papers.

Look I don't want to seem blunt but you seem to have made your mind up on a few words from the breeder , we can't make you walk away from this ( even though it's what we all would advise )
When I was naive I bought my first girl from a BYB ( I didn't know what one was at the time ) and my subsequent research into the breed and the massive problems these people create with their greed for money made me realise how wrong I was , but I had her with me and there was no way I was going back . She has been beautiful and I have been so lucky as it could have gone so horribly wrong.
Consequently number 2 was only ever going to be from a decent KC breeder there really is no sensible option .
Breeding is something not to be taken lightly and the ONLY reason to breed is to better the breed and improve the KC standard giving healthy , breed standard dogs with good temperament and you will only get this from a reputable KC Breeder .
I can see lots of concerns from your posts so far let me just list them for you to reflect on
Pics - you state you get regular weekly updates from your breeder and at 4 weeks you only have a picture of a pup "claimed to be 2.5 weeks" all the good breeders I know ( and I know loads ) love nothing more than taking pics every few days and updating everyone , normally via FB - ask them for a pic at 4 weeks old
Health checks - there doesn't seem to be any done only a "vet check" on collection  - were the pups checked by the vet after birth - if they say yes then ask to see a receipt from the vet to prove it , ask them if they would be prepared to get the litter eye screened and have tests done for L2 HGa, etc read our link here under main health issues and you will see what we mean http://staffy-bull-terrier.com/health_concerns
Pedigree Papers - ask them why they haven't registered the pups and why they want to charge a ridiculous rate of £90 to provide you with papers
Breed Standard - from what you tell us the father is not breed standard so ask them why they decided it was a good idea to breed
Food  - ask them what they plan on feeding the pups on once they are on solids - the quality of feed will also tell a lot about the quality of breeding

This isn't about snobbery of KC registrations  we are far from it on here with dogs from all walks of life , but if we see a member about to commit what dioesn't look right and possibly a big mistake we will all try our best to advise you otherwise .  Please read this ongoing post from one of our members who found out a while ago her dog had L2HGa   - sorry its heartbreaking but this is why its so important , we don't want to see another one
https://staffy-bull-terrier.niceboard.com/t38570-l2hga#596473

Hi and welcome from Chiquito and I