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Hi Guy's and Girl's

Re my other thread about cost of a dog , i have seen this staffy forsale he looks adorable



Now i have asked her a few questions , main one been does he have any skin probs  as have been told from  a staffie person that the blues can be prone to this ? anyway this is the reply i got back from the lady , what do you ppl think ? im puzzeled as to why this isnt his first home , my mind is thinking  what is wrong with this dog why cant he find a perminent home ?

Hello
In his previous home he lived Round a 9year old and was fine, I would only say not to out him round small children as he jumps up when you first come in and he is excited. (trying to get this out of him.) he currently has a few lumps/scabs on him that have appeared over this hot wether was flied and wormed last weekend & his lumps/scabs are starting to get better. If seriously interested I would make sure these where gone if treatment was needed from the vets before leaving here. He is not brilliant with other dogs when on a walk but reacts different to each dog. He is worse to a dog if they bark or snarl at him first but to take on a walk and see. He is house trained. He needs someone who can spend a lot of time with him as he loves attention and sadly he needs more attention then we can give.
Let me know if you would like to come and meet him.

Where was the ad?

Either do your research into a credited breeder or rescue from a credited rescue........... Xx

Sorry I've had to remove the link as we can not promote people selling on their unwanted dogs, if you want an older staff it really is best to go through a rescue centre, here the forum list

https://staffy-bull-terrier.niceboard.com/t10833-rescue-centres-list

janey wrote:Where was the ad?

PAH

Go to a proper rescue hun Xx

It really is best xx

dont buy it. as said, get a really good pup or rescue. dont take people unwanted left overs

sorry peeps , didnt know i wasnt supposed to put a link up

for those that didnt see it it was just a internet advert for a dog not too far from me

what worries me about rescue ones is the stories that come with them like battered by owner , taught to fight etc rescued from been left to starve etc kinda puts me off those cause most of them have a story to tell , ie they are as they say rescued , whereas i was hoping to just give a dog thats maybe to much of a handfull for the owner a good home ?

apprieciete all your help that your giving me  

And what would be any different to the dog you propose to buy? End of the day, they are the dogs that end up in centres cause the bad owner sells them on to another bad owner, then the centre gets lumped with them.

99% of people sell or give away their dog because they can't be bothered with the hassle, dogs are testing very few are good as gold.

To try and restore your faith in rescues  Daisy is a rescue, she was rescued from the pound before that, so no history whatsoever and she is fab, granted she's had some health problems but as behavior goes, she's brill  

also Janeys Moo is a rescue who was returned several times, but she is the most perfect dog and we all love her.

Rocky is also from a rescue centre and the most gentle of dogs too. Thankfully some rescue centres do home checks before the dog is released and do an assessment on the dog to make sure the most appropriate home is found for it.

Rockys previous owners kept him in a crate all day long in an outhouse, he wasn't socialised at all and hadn't recieved any training. That's all quite different now.

Have faith in rescues, as Kathy said they do assess the dogs, Moo had 3 homes prior to me but she is the best thing ever

Hi to be fair the person in the ad does seem genuine enough and she gives you the chance to go and see/walk him so you can judge for yourself. I understand all of the comments on here from other owners "but" we have had our Staffy about 7 weeks now and when we got him he was over excitable but after 7 weeks the change in him is black and white . He still needs more training but he really is great and he was 9 month`s when we got him. A lot of people said the same to us and after first seeing him my wife said he was too boisterous and would take too much training and why did they want rid of him etc etc. She now loves him to bits. We had recently lost our previous dog to old age and he was so well behaved which made us even more apprehensive. The main thing is plenty of exercise and consistency with how you want him to be. He may be a Staffy but he is firstly a dog. I am so glad that we did go back and see him because had we have just disregarded him because of the reasons stated then we would have missed out on a great dog. A friend of mine has a Blue Staffy and he said it does seem to have been worse in the hot weather so the person selling is prob being honest. Here`s our dog  https://staffy-bull-terrier.niceboard.com/t41531-doggy-pics.

Thanks and good luck.

Paul

Paul - I agree with your comments and have to say ON THE FACE of it then this owner does seem genuine in their response , but at the same time why sell a dog you don't have time for . It may well be genuine but it way well be just strategic truths , they may well just not be bothered, found a serious condition etc the possibilities are endless.

This is why as general policy this forum does not support private rehoming , BYB , Pets 4 Homes , Gumtree adverts etc , all of these things are the things that are massive contributors to putting our beloved dogs in the troubles they have now

Hi

Thankyou for all the responces i am seriously concidering going for a pup , i didnt want to but when you put it all in prospective it may be best ?? i do have children not young children tho so i do need a dog thats goin to be well with them , im not rushing into anything yet im going to keep looking and reading up more on staffys in general , i have had another reply back from the lady above and tbh this poor dog sounds like he need s an owner just like me if im honest, but i am put off by the fact hes 4 years old and not yet properly lead trained , but again that could just be a minor problem , when i looked after my freinds staffy he was the same and he's two , and within two days that dog was a different dog , with abit of patience and lots of walks , im a stay at home mum at the moment , i say moment cause i wil be going out to work possibly parttime in years to come , so would have the time for that blue one and to train him , but like has been said i dont know his background , but i feel mean dismissing these local add ones to go and get a pup , alot of ppl get pups cant manage them or decide there not cute anymore once they have grown and get rid , well im the opposite i dont mind an older dog much prefer one if im honest , but a freind of mine did say least with a puppy your training it your way from the start , anyway her's the reply i got back from the lady with the blue one

I think that is the main problem he loves been around someone to much and although I work shifts and have more days of then i work he Is still left for long periods and he needs someone who is around a bit more to spend the time with him and he would be loads better. I have only had him a few months. Previous owners said he would be ok left etc but I feel it would be better for him if he had someone that was around more if it wasn't for work commitments I wouldn't be selling. I am unsure if he has had any other skin conditions but as far as I am aware he has not. He has been snipped and had his last injection in march. I was informed he was KC reg and saw papers but last family was dealing with sending them of to change owner etc and they have not arrived yet :/ price online is just a guideline a good home is more important and would take less if I knew he was going to a good home.


Previous owner was selling him as he had work commitments where he was commuting and his partner didn't have the confidence to walk him. Since I have had him he has become better in the lead as was not used to it and lives going on long walks and will now help you but his harness on which he was not wearing with his previous owner. He wears this due to pulling.

Hi Dave ,

I understand your comments also, people often get dogs on a whim because maybe they have seen one and jump in without really looking into things. There does seem to be a trend with Blue`s lately and then maybe the people concerned realize the problems associated with that particular color dog only when its too late. I also can see why the site does`nt condone the advertising agencies you mentioned but even if these ad`s were`nt so prevalent then there would be other means/media in which these people could trade , remember the ad mag. But fair comment`s from you ,I was only sharing my experience in the hope it may have offered some help in deciding either way.

Cheers

Paul

Generally speaking Paul , I would probably hazard a guess and say well over 50% of our members that come on and tell us their story have bought their dog in the wrong manner ( Gumtree, newspaper ads, BYB etc etc )
I bought Tilly from a BYB and have to say I was very lucky as we have had few problems with her and she is a beautiful natured dog, joined the forum and realised what bad I was doing so we researched Tommy and got him from a breeder ( rescue was not considered as an option due to my OH being a childminder , they would not let dogs generally go into a home with young kids , and of course with young kids about you have to be much more aware of history , so as a CM and not be able to keep 100% eye on 3 or 4 kids and the dog it would be unfair to the dog )
1 or 2 people will not listen to the education on offer here and go their own way in life and pay any consequence that may come and that's their look out , but as a forum trying to promote responsible ownership if we can change peoples minds then that what we will always try and do and odd cases like this where people come to research and ask for opinions before buying then if we can help them in the right way then its a good job done

I only really mention Gumtree and Pets 4 Homes because they are the main culprits ( as well as FB ) but generally its ANY private rehoming , unless of course we are talking about between 2 friends or members of family etc where all history etc etc is known

paul l wrote:Hi Dave ,

I understand your comments also, people often get dogs on a whim because maybe they have seen one and jump in without really looking into things. There does seem to be a trend with Blue`s lately and then maybe the people concerned realize the problems associated with that particular color dog only when its too late. I also can see why the site does`nt condone the advertising agencies you mentioned but even if these ad`s were`nt so prevalent then there would be other means/media in which these people could trade , remember the ad mag. But fair comment`s from you ,I was only sharing my experience in the hope it may have offered some help in deciding either way.

Cheers

Paul

Lots of ppl get dogs on a whim , my mums dog was a whim , border colie shut in a house all day got her because they wanted a sheep dog , she was given to my mum through a freind of a freind when my mum lost her own border collie to ill health , and with a abit if training  she has been fab , she has even rounded up the sheep now again for the farmer who owns the stables where my mum keeps her horse , so she has come in very handy lol

also the staffy my mate has that i looked after was litrally dumped on him , it was a case of can you look after this for a couple pof days til i coinvince my wife to have him , that said person never came back , and he really is a dog you would die for he's so good given the circumstances as hes left for long periods

when i looked after him a few week's  ago , he pulled like a train , neally puled my kids over  and was just complety and uttley stupid , he would run in the road even on a lead , i had him walking by me on a flex lead unlocked in the end , and my children could walk him perfect by the end of the 5 days we had him , he just needed regular walks and abit of guidance , if i hadnt of had him for those 5 days i would not be contemplating a dog as i wouldnt want to be one of those to get one on a whim and then have to get rid cause i couldnt cope ,  but since having him its given me an insight to just what it is like to own a mad staff and i know i can give one a good home

but thankyou al for your guidance in this matter it really is helping me decide

can anyone tell me of any good breeders in the northwest area ? im near blackpool

Tilly was a whim for me ( and the best whim I ever had in my life , I really do dote on my princess   ) We were looking after a friends staff over the BH weekend as the caravan was bust so weren't going away . I had been eating away at my OH for another dog since we lost our BC X the previous year and loved staffs as my cousin had a little girl he took on at 3 years old --> 13 years old . OH finally cracked and we spent the whole day searching round from the small ads and brought her home but as I say it could have gone so wrong

Don't discount rescues, I got Ledger from dogs trust a lot of his history had been lost and he had been re-homed by them previously and returned because the previous owner grabbed him by the collar dragged him off the sofa and was bitten however the staff had knowledge of him and matched us from the questionnaire as he was immensely kennel stressed so wasn't on general public view

The bonus with rescues you can visit a number of times before you decide on a dog, you can walk a selection to see which one is right for your family. Also Ledger came fully house trained and with a basic level of obedience from the staff at the rescue which for me as a first time owner was one less thing to worry about. Pop along visit a few speak with staff there is nothing to lose about doing a bit of research but be careful a week after my general enquiry visit I had gone back 4 times to walk Ledger and he was home with me

miss npo wrote:can anyone tell me of any good breeders in the northwest area ? im near blackpool

Give me a day and I will see if I can help you Tommy's Breeder comes from Wigan area and is quite well connected through the show circuit for breeders in the area .

But be prepared for 20 questions as a good breeder should interrogate you as much as you interrogate them. Generally if you go to look at pups and they don't vet you I would be very wary

Just keep watching this post and if I can find out anything I will let you know . How much do you expect to pay for a pup ( generally around £600 ) , is there any particular colour , boy / girl etc that you are interested in ??

Hi Dave

I would prefer a bitch if im going to buy one at that money , and i like fawns , and red ones if im been picky , i do like them with a bit of white on aswell , i like blues but im a tad put of with been told they suffer skins probs , or that its more common with blue to have skin probs ?? in changing my plans to get a pup i will have to save up , but yes if you could add reptuble breeders to this post then that would be great . i have been on the kennel club and had a look , if and when im lookin and searching , if an advert says kc registered can i be assured that that is a reptuble breeder , or can back street breeder's still claim that ?

Hi, miss npo I was`nt suggesting you are getting a dog on a whim , a lot of dogs adults and pups end up being re homed because some people do get them on a whim without realizing the time needed to properly care for and train them. I know a lot of people who have got them on a whim but go on to care for and love them responsibly. But all people are not the same. Hope you find a suitable dog.

Cheers

Paul

miss npo wrote:Hi Dave

I would prefer a bitch if im going to buy one at that money , and i like fawns , and red ones if im been picky , i do like them with a bit of white on aswell , i like blues but im a tad put of with been told they suffer skins probs , or that its more common with blue to have skin probs ?? in changing my plans to get a pup i will have to save up , but yes if you could add reptuble breeders to this post then that would be great . i have been on the kennel club and had a look , if and when im lookin and searching , if an advert says kc registered can i be assured that that is a reptuble breeder , or can back street breeder's still claim that ?

You really have to be very careful , look at papers , health tests etc when you visit , they can be really really unscrupulous.

Blues don't have to have skin problems but a good blue comes from a non Blue / Blue mating. Unless you are buying show stock you should never pay more for a dog because of their colour or their markings or their sex but unfortunately people do have this practise.

I bought Tommy from a breeder that was only on their 2nd litter so not established on KC lists etc and through careful research , more than happy with Tommy ( apart from he lives up to his name as the Tomminator   ) and found him through this website

http://www.champdogs.co.uk/breeds/staffordshire-bull-terrier/puppies

If you see something you like please come back here and we can help you with a little more knowledge of what to look for

It will be the only website that we acknowledge on here for litters , but again you have to know your stuff as there can be bad breeders on here.

Take a look at these few links and hope they help you , all good reading


http://staffy-bull-terrier.com/guideline_for_buying

http://staffy-bull-terrier.com/how_to_buy_a_dilution_colour_dog

http://staffy-bull-terrier.com/how_to_recognize_a_back_yard_breeder

Hi , I have just spoken to Tommy's Breeder and they are planning a mating in about 8 weeks with their girl (Tommy's sister from the 1st litter) and all reds (with some white) at the moment but I don't know who the sire is for this mating

If you have a serious interest then you will find some contact details here on the champdogs website   and you can have a chat with them

http://www.champdogs.co.uk/breeder/32601

They are doing quite well on the show circuit at the moment and qualified for crufts this year . Personally consider them friends and good breeders , I have all of Tommys littermates owners on my FB and we regularly keep in touch so great to see how they all grow up. Tommy's sister ( Maisie) won her first show last week

Tommy


Tommy and Maisie <3

paul l wrote:Hi, miss npo I was`nt suggesting you are getting a dog on a whim , a lot of dogs adults and pups end up being re homed because some people do get them on a whim without realizing the time and needed to properly care and train them. I know a lot of people who have got them on a whim but go on to care for and love them responsibly. But all people are not the same. Hope you find a suitable dog.

Cheers

Paul

Hi Paul i wasnt suggesting you thought i was i was agreeing with you that yes they do get them on a whim and they then end up on the free ads forsale etc  

Dave wrote:

miss npo wrote:Hi Dave

I would prefer a bitch if im going to buy one at that money , and i like fawns , and red ones if im been picky , i do like them with a bit of white on aswell , i like blues but im a tad put of with been told they suffer skins probs , or that its more common with blue to have skin probs ?? in changing my plans to get a pup i will have to save up , but yes if you could add reptuble breeders to this post then that would be great . i have been on the kennel club and had a look , if and when im lookin and searching , if an advert says kc registered can i be assured that that is a reptuble breeder , or can back street breeder's still claim that ?

You really have to be very careful , look at papers , health tests etc when you visit , they can be really really unscrupulous.

Blues don't have to have skin problems but a good blue comes from a non  Blue / Blue mating. Unless you are buying show stock you should never pay more for a dog because of their colour or their markings or their sex but unfortunately people do have this practise.

I bought Tommy from a breeder that was only on their 2nd litter so not established on KC lists etc and through careful research , more than happy with Tommy ( apart from he lives up to his name as the Tomminator    ) and found him through this website

http://www.champdogs.co.uk/breeds/staffordshire-bull-terrier/puppies

If you see something you like please come back here and we can help you with a little more knowledge of what to look for

It will be the only website that we acknowledge on here for litters , but again you have to know your stuff as there can be bad breeders on here.

Take a look at these few links and hope they help you , all good reading


http://staffy-bull-terrier.com/guideline_for_buying

http://staffy-bull-terrier.com/how_to_buy_a_dilution_colour_dog

http://staffy-bull-terrier.com/how_to_recognize_a_back_yard_breeder

Thankyou Dave for this i shall have a good read  

Dave wrote:Hi , I have just spoken to Tommy's Breeder and they are planning a mating in about 8 weeks with their girl (Tommy's sister from the 1st litter) and all reds (with some white) at the moment but I don't know who the sire is for this mating

If you have a serious interest then you will find some contact details here on the champdogs website   and you can have a chat with them

http://www.champdogs.co.uk/breeder/32601

They are doing quite well on the show circuit at the moment and qualified for crufts this year . Personally consider them friends and good breeders , I have all of Tommys littermates owners on my FB and we regularly keep in touch so great to see how they all grow up. Tommy's sister ( Maisie) won her first show last week

Tommy


Tommy and Maisie <3

There Georgious

Thankyou but most important is these are pups brought into the world in the correct conditions and for the betterment of the breed which should be the only reason for breeding , not to earn a few quid  

and here's a little photo from the past for you

definitely don't rule out a rescue, most dogs are there through no fault of their own and just because they are unwanted, not every dog has problems or a story.

My chance is a rescue WITH problems, i won't lie he's one hell of dog but with hard work he is manageable and we plan on bringing a baby in to the house within the next 2 years as i know with proper introductions he will be absolutely fine.

But Chance isn't the norm and there are many many dogs in rescues who will be brilliant with your kids and for your family!

As many have said befor please don't rule out recuse dogs. I rehomed Doug at easter, he's 2 and I have no history on him apart from he was found as a stray in Glasgow. I won't deny that "some" have issues but wouldn't your life was suddenly turned upside down. Your "family" suddenly decided they didn't want you so you found yourself on the street or in a kennel with no company?!
Personally I would look at the RSPCA, Dogs Trust or a staffy specific rescue. The first 2 "sometimes" know the dog's history if they have been handed in by an owner. A staffy rescue will nearly always know the history. Atleast then you know what you are adopting.

Doug came from the SSPCA (scottish version of the RSPCA) and he is a dream boy and a real cuddle bug. Well behaved, VERY good around other dogs to the point where I have to carry him away from playing! Loves children and is a general well rounded boy. Granted I took a well educated chance on Doug but I'm glad it paid off

PS: rescues also have puppies looking for homes