Disagreement

Evening all, well what a night!! Just got back from our walk, omg turned into a big disagreement.
We take Kenny and Lilly every evening to the local park. Its lovely there and leads to the local cricket club. The last few nights theres been loads of dogs. Every1 of them off lead !!! Now there's signs clearly posted right through the park as theres a childrens play ground, fishing lakes and cafe. So every night dogs, not just 1 but at least 3 every time we've gone there have run up to kenny. Know how Ken isnt very dog friendly, but since Lillys been here, he's been a little better. So off we go again, down through the park, and each time i ask owners to lease their dogs, Kennys usual raction is to growl at other dogs, but latley he does stare but carrys on walking. On our way back through the park, a woman with 2 small fluffy dogs see us and still doesnt lease her dogs, they come running over, barking and growling , 1 run up behind lilly, but luckely i picked her up, my son had hold of Ken and for some reason picked up Kenny too. The lady then run over to put them on a lead. By this time we're all arguing amongst our self, Carl's having a go at Matthew for lifting Kenny. Carl's words feelings at the moment is tuff, Kennys on a lead, if he bites back so be it! My opinion is Kenny will still get the blame. I do agree with Carl to some points, we do everything we feel is right while out with Kenny, why should we continually have to ward off these dogs while their owners stroll on. We going to look for a new place to walk, but im gutted. This place is on my door step. One postive is every bull breed owner we see have theirs on lead, why cant other follow suit:(

Oh dear but I tend to agree with your fella and for havin a go at your son for picking him up, my view though

I know what you mean! It doesn't matter who's in the wrong - Kenny will get the blame cause he's a stafford!

It's unfair, but the way it is. 

Glad to hear that Lilly's reformimg him, though!

I am afraid Kelly others don't follow suit, and it annoys me beyond belief I sometimes get to the point where I think why should I bother when no one else does, but I guess its protecting our poochies and us from the obvious blame these uneducated people give us. Hope everything continues to go well for you xx

Aww Kelly, it's not nice when your walking haven is ruined but I tend to agree with your OH but with you too as more than likely kenny would get the blame  

Thanks guys, i agree, matthew shouldnt of picked Kenny up. He was worried what ken would do to these dogs, with that resent story in the papers too, can you imagine. I really feel we're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Even though we abide by the rules so to say, Ken would still get the blame. Its so wrong (((
He's very protective of Lilly, Im just glad nothing happened x

I'm sorry you had a rubbish walk and are feeling like you can't go there, it really isn't fair  

Daisy is always on lead too and we have no end of dogs coming up to us with their owner shouting them back but to no avail or not even bothering sometimes, so irresponsible. Daisy is fine with other dogs but they don't know that but don't seem to care.

The classic most popular reply when i ask people to call their dogs is, " He's Ok, just wants to play"!!. Ignoranance at its best x

if your dog is on lead its under control in the eyes of the law so as bad as this sounds, approach at your peril. you shouldnt have to pick up and move about because of other peoples lazyness/ignorance. dont bother in future and more likley than not your dogs warnings will be heeded by the other dog and they will keep a safe distance.
as you prob know my two are on a lead all the time unless its an enclosed area and i get alot of people leading up when they see them, at first i was annoyed and then i realised they were just being respocible dog owners. i make a point of thanking them but saying they are dog safe but runners and most will off lead there dogs there and then to come and say hi. now i think its nice that they are paying attention to what is around their dogs and taking action.

Nathan wrote:if your dog is on lead its under control in the eyes of the law so as bad as this sounds, approach at your peril. you shouldnt have to pick up and move about because of other peoples lazyness/ignorance. dont bother in future and more likley than not your dogs warnings will be heeded by the other dog and they will keep a safe distance.
as you prob know my two are on a lead all the time unless its an enclosed area and i get alot of people leading up when they see them, at first i was annoyed and then i realised they were just being respocible dog owners. i make a point of thanking them but saying they are dog safe but runners and most will off lead there dogs there and then to come and say hi. now i think its nice that they are paying attention to what is around their dogs and taking action.

I totally agree. I enjoy seeing dogs off lead and running and play, every dog needs too, but the ignorance with some is behond me. I think the sun has gone to their heads lol.

kenny d wrote:Thanks guys, i agree, matthew shouldnt of picked Kenny up.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but when you're faced with a situation, you don't always react in the best possible way. I did exactly the same thing with my Bandit when a pitbull attacked him many years ago. The police afterwards said the same thing - "Your dog was on lead & under control - you shouldn't have picked him up as the other owner was at fault". Great. But when a dog is desperately trying to eat your dog you tend not to have a debate about which dog is under control in the eyes of the law!

Caryll wrote:

kenny d wrote:Thanks guys, i agree, matthew shouldnt of picked Kenny up.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but when you're faced with a situation, you don't always react in the best possible way. I did exactly the same thing with my Bandit when a pitbull attacked him many years ago. The police afterwards said the same thing - "Your dog was on lead & under control - you shouldn't have picked him up as the other owner was at fault". Great. But when a dog is desperately trying to eat your dog you tend not to have a debate about which dog is under control in the eyes of the law!

i see your point but if i read that right it was your dog on lead and not the attacker and in your situation i would have done the same i think plus alot of kicking. if your dog is da however and another dog approaches it while on lead then like it or not the da dog is under control of a human by being on lead. being off lead is not a god given right its a privaledge and if you leave your dog to approach another which is on lead you have to be aware of the consequenses. a free dog apporaching a dog which may be da with its flight instinct taken away is asking for trouble.

Kenny can be da, so we keep him on lead at all times. He used to be so good. I totally blame the attack on kenny when he was younger. That was by a dog off lead Now because of this, Ken is on the ready with any dog that he feels is a threat. We done all we could to socialise him well as a pup, and continued to socialise ever since, he'd enter dogs show, handling classes, agility lessons X2 (couldnt fit this in with work). To see such a change is heart breaking. x

The dogs being off lead isn't the problem thats a great sight it's the owners who let them off and then just forget about them. I can't understand why people let their dogs run to other dogs on a lead. They on it for a reason
Think we need a new invention. One where you can put plugs in your own dogs ears so they can't hear the annoying sound that comes from a small device you carry that dogs can't stand within a 50 metre radias

Caryll wrote:

kenny d wrote:Thanks guys, i agree, matthew shouldnt of picked Kenny up.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but when you're faced with a situation, you don't always react in the best possible way. I did exactly the same thing with my Bandit when a pitbull attacked him many years ago. The police afterwards said the same thing - "Your dog was on lead & under control - you shouldn't have picked him up as the other owner was at fault". Great. But when a dog is desperately trying to eat your dog you tend not to have a debate about which dog is under control in the eyes of the law!

yes, your right Caryll. Matthew acted on instinct, kenny being the bigger dog would of caused some damage.
Carl is just fed up of how lacking and thoughtless some dog owners can be. When Kenny shows aggression when a dog approaches, he just keeps him moving while saying firmly walk on. This works for us. The difference tonight was there were 2 dogs and 1 run up behind lilly and the other to ken. Thankfully, Mat picking him up worked lol.
All i could think of was if he didnt pick him up, Ken would of had hold of it, and that would of been devasting. I could imagine the news, Staffy attacked little fluffy dog!!! Not 2 fluffy dogs attack staffy

 

Mike wrote:The dogs being off lead isn't the problem thats a great sight it's the owners who let them off and then just forget about them. I can't understand why people let their dogs run to other dogs on a lead. They on it for a reason
Think we need a new invention. One where you can put plugs in your own dogs ears so they can't hear the annoying sound that comes from a small device you carry that dogs can't stand within a 50 metre radias

Good idea:D 

And it can come with a pellet gun just incase the dog doesn't listen you then you can shoot the owner in the bullet hole  

Mike wrote:And it can come with a pellet gun just incase the dog doesn't listen you then you can shoot the owner in the bullet hole  

Mike, this idea will make you a millionaire  

My mother always said. That I have some ideas echoing around my skull that no one else would ever have  

Ahh what a horrible time! Peoples ignorance is beyond me. Sad that you have to find a new place to go and enjoy with ken and Lilly, but glad nothing happened!

This is no annoying for me too - Lou can be ok, but she can also not be ok, so i keep her on the lead. I think that if i'm looking like i'm trying to avoid other dogs, meaning i would try to give them a wide berth, but then said dogs come running over then its the other owners fault. I of course do not want Lou to hurt another dog, but i also dont want her to get hurt neither..as well as the pain she would endure there is also the fact that we have to pay for the vet bills. The other owner should be held responsible for things like that...

Nathan wrote:
i see your point but if i read that right it was your dog on lead and not the attacker and in your situation i would have done the same i think plus alot of kicking. if your dog is da however and another dog approaches it while on lead then like it or not the da dog is under control of a human by being on lead.

Bandit was extremely da.

However, the pitbull was nearly twice his size & had been trained to attack.

Just read through your original post and we have been through exactly the same thing with Rocky, I now walk in a different park because of him getting the blame for things he hasn't done and things that were not his fault in the first place anyway. I even have one iccident on video which has been shown to the owner of one of the loose dogs but Rocky still gets the blame from certain other dog owners there, go figure.

Its shocking how many staffy/bull breed owners get grief when ours are not always to blame (((((((((