fighting boys

absolutly gutting that my boys are not getting along and ive come to the conclusion it would be safer to rehome the yungest boy pudsy. Ive had pudsy from 10 months of age since the beginning of january, was so happy that they got along at 1st. Other then a few scraps over there toys and treats they can be very loving together, play well together wilst out in the feilds and sleep and groom each other. Ive been quit confident in separating them when they have scrapped over toys and bones as i think they were just mouthing at each other and not actually touching, ive grabbed scruff of neck and physically pulled them apart and immediatly both of them have stopped n looked all sorry for them selves. Since then the last 2 weeks my older dog has not held back and actually hurt pudsy and this morning was horrendous my older dog has caught pudsy's eye and it bled (only a small scratch) what can i do untill i find pudsy a new home, obviously they are seperated during the day time now and are only together when having fusses on the bed together as all they are doing is sleeping, is there an easier way to stop these dogs before they are at logger heads?

I wouldn't be so quick to re home, same sex dogs living together can be hard work especially as pudsy is at a maturing age where they will start to fight to be top dog. This is where you the owner comes in to separate and train the behavior.

I take it they get exersize together and enough exersize, I have never owned 2 together but a little saddened when people seem to want to jump at the first hurdle. 2 males are hard work, you put in the effort and you can be rewarded by having 2 happy dogs at the end.

i have no choice to rehome as i have yung children and not only is it frightening to them but also to me having to seperate, when they are going at each other out of control! this morning they have both drawn blood on each other, so it is best to rehome, but in the mean time wilst im vetting homes im asking for advice as to what to do, NOT a judgement

minxycat2002 wrote:NOT a judgement

Can't see where I have done that, I was trying to encourage you!

Very rude.

My 2 love each other but can also hurt each other at the same time and there has been blood and scars but we've never got as far as thinking like that . If you are telling ius that every time they see each other its world war 2 then fair enough you have to think a little differently but it doesn't sound like that

it is becoming world war 2, the yunger dog only has to look at luke and he is snapping and its becomming out of control and with 3 young children in the house, this is not a safe situation to be in, so unless u have any tips or advice as to help calm my house situations b4 rehoming i suggest u not say anything at all as it is hard enough.

How often are they exercised? As Janey says, two dogs are hard work but with the right training and exercise they can be a joy.

This is a tricky one.
I agree with what Janey has said.

Staffs do play very hard. I have a male and female and they pull each other about by the face when playing ! They have surface bite marks and scratches too - this is just playing. I can stop them as n when needed.

2 males if they were actually fighting I dont think it would be terribly easy to seperate them, and I'd imagine they would have a lot more than a scratch.


Suggestions:

Up their exercise. 2-3 walks/runs per day.
Training when indoors.
Let them play 'fight' but watch them, abd seperate them or distract them till calm.
A lot of dogs can get frustrated if they dint get enough mental and physical stimulation which can lead to problems.

Why dint you see if there is anything u can alter to accommodate more exercise/stimulation. A tired pooch is a good one !

when i mean fighting, i mean fighting to the point of me pulling them apart still with face parts and throats locked in there mouths and they causing each other serious harm, they are exercised twice a day run over a farm an hour at a time, they come in and flunk out tired and they are well fed. i have only had pudsy a couple of months off of another owner, i had him neutered and vaccinated as this had not been done, i also give him a strict rutine ttraining and had to toilet train him to, which hes done really well with, at 1st they got on really well and i know pudsy will be boisterious still only being a puppy but the point is my other dog who is nearly 5 is no longer tolerating it, to the point that pudsy only has to look at him and it is nasty vicious fighting, not the normal rough play

and what im asking for is an easier way of seperating as it is NOT EASY TO DO!

Have you contacted your local shelter or , advertised free to good home might be an easier way of separating them, but I have feeling most shelters are quite full.

i dont recommend anybody find new home for their dog leave it to people who know what they doing rescue centres

people should do more research before taking on another dog we getting this all the time now dont people search about these thing anymore?

yes people do research about these things and i come from a family who have rescued dogs of all breeds and run there own dog club at wembley! im not naieve or stupid and i have put alot of hard work into my pets, if u dont have anything helpful to say steve keep it to yaself, from a board of all staff owners i was hoping to hear from sum1 with something helpful to suggest not derogatory comments, i will just stick to what the pet behaviour therapist susggest

You can not expect to come onto an open forum and insult the members when positive advice has been given which is trying trying to help you.

Sorry if its not the advice you wanted to hear!

If you want to listen with closed ears, then yes I suggest you listen to your 'pet behavior therapist' as they seem to be working a treat for you! and not bother asking for quick solutions here.

As already said contact the correct people for re-homeing and how ever experienced you seem to be think again before getting another.

minxycat2002 wrote:yes people do research about these things and i come from a family who have rescued dogs of all breeds and run there own dog club at wembley! im not naieve or stupid and i have put alot of hard work into my pets, if u dont have anything helpful to say steve keep it to yaself, from a board of all staff owners i was hoping to hear from sum1 with something helpful to suggest not derogatory comments, i will just stick to what the pet behaviour therapist susggest

look we get far to many members come on who give up their dogs WAY to easy as it's quite frankly to much hard work to sort out the problems they are having with their dogs.

Do not come here and slag off people are offering you honest but helpful advice

I have 2 male bull breeds one whom came from a dire background and i have spent everyday for the last 18 months teaching and helping them so that they remain happy and the best of friends, yes it's been hard work and i will continue to work with them for the rest of their lives as I chose to get them both.

minxycat2002 wrote:yes people do research about these things and i come from a family who have rescued dogs of all breeds and run there own dog club at wembley! im not naieve or stupid and i have put alot of hard work into my pets, if u dont have anything helpful to say steve keep it to yaself, from a board of all staff owners i was hoping to hear from sum1 with something helpful to suggest not derogatory comments, i will just stick to what the pet behaviour therapist susggest

As already said, if you start to insult members when they reply to you, you'll get nowhere at all.

Calm down & you'll see that people are trying to help.

You have to understand that we see so many examples of people who haven't thought things through when they get another dog & then want to get rid of the dog when things don't immediately work out. If you had come here and asked for out opinion on getting another male you'd have found that most people would have advised against it - two dogs of the same sex often don't get on, especially when one of them has been introduced at an age when he's likely to be going through the 'teenager' stage.

This could be worked through if you're prepared to do a lot of hard work, but if you're not, then please contact a rescue centre and ask for their advice. Whatever you do, I would beg you not to advertise your pup on any of the internet sites like gumtree etc - you have no idea where the dog will end up; many of them are taken on by people who use them as bait dogs to train fighters!

minxycat2002 wrote:and what im asking for is an easier way of seperating as it is NOT EASY TO DO!

NO NEED TO SHOUT . Sorry but we are proactive for the breed before the owner, or at least I am , as we see far too much of this. Believe me when I say many time I could have given up but have decided to persevere and time and patience do work but it really sounds like you do not want to listen to us and just keep your own thoughts. All I can suggest now is if you want to take a couple of breaths and maybe rescue a situation then stick around , if you don't then sorry but I don't think we can help you other than advise you use the correct channels for rehoming which would be via a rescue

1, im a single parent with 3 petrified kids under 10 n if u people think im just throwing in the towel cos of boisterious behaivour that is not the case, safety of all in this house is my number 1 concern, 2, u are tarring me with the same brush as other owners who giv pets up for silly reasons and being judge mental, is it any wonder im angry n deffensive, i not come here for that or a quick fix, jus more ideas or anything different,from advise i allready been given.

Assuming that im jumping at the 1st hurdle, not putting in time n effort with them, also assuming i cant tell udifference between play fight n serious snapping, assuming ive not researched or asked advice b4 hand, this is what u people call helpfull lol

OK well if you are so switched on to the situation then I don't believe there is anything we can do further to help you , as you say you know your stuff. As far as separating the dogs is concerned then sure you can work this one out for yourself without our help , separate rooms , doors closed and monitor the kids to make sure they are nowhere near your dogs and don't leave doors open. Maybe you could also think about Muzzling the aggressor in the short term until you do find a home.
If they fight through the day it's not really fair on either dog for you to put them together for cuddles either
But again please use the correct rehoming channels and not free ads or this poor young dog that doesn't seem to have done anything wrong could end up in an even worse situation . I would also recommend you look toward a dog behaviorist for your older dog to see if you can get to the bottom of this sudden DA

Sorry we can't really help you any further and hope it all works out for Pudsy

minxycat2002 wrote:1, im a single parent with 3 petrified kids under 10 n if u people think im just throwing in the towel cos of boisterious behaivour that is not the case, safety of all in this house is my number 1 concern, 2, u are tarring me with the same brush as other owners who giv pets up for silly reasons and being judge mental, is it any wonder im angry n deffensive, i not come here for that or a quick fix, jus more ideas or anything different,from advise i allready been given.

OK. Now, we weren't to know that you're a single parent, or what age your children are - how would we as you didn't say. Nobody's tarring you with any brush, but on the limited info you gave us, it appeared that you'd made up your mind that the younger dog must go.

minxycat2002 wrote:Assuming that im jumping at the 1st hurdle, not putting in time n effort with them, also assuming i cant tell udifference between play fight n serious snapping, assuming ive not researched or asked advice b4 hand, this is what u people call helpfull lol

Again, you're jumping down our throats in the same way that you don't want us to do to you.

If you want help, we'll do all we can. But no.1 - are you keeping the younger dog and asking for ways of making it work or 2. - are you getting rid of him and want to know the best way to go about it?

We're not mind readers & neither are we here to be shouted at.

Whether you like it or not, you got yourself into this situation, and although you say you researched the situation before you got the pup, you obviously didn't ask whether or not having two males together could be a problem.