Dog Attack Photos Released

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/update/2013-03-18/photos-released-after-dog-attack/

I'm sure a lot of you have already seen this story. Thankfully the pictures ITV have uploaded aren't as graphic as some of the ones I have seen from this story. I didn't want to share them before.

It is absolutely horrible and this is the main reason why we all have to deal with criticism so very often. Thankfully the dog, (said here to be a Cocker but from the pictures I saw, it was a King Charles) is still alive but it was a very brutal attack. The Staff X has obviously been used for fighting in the past as it is covered in wounds.

Thankfully the ITV haven't attacked Stafford's as a breed and have directed this story at the person responsible. They have also rightfully called it a "cross".

I heard about this yesterday from a friend while I was out. This happened sadly in my town which I feel very disappointed about and let down from another Staffy owner.

Apparently the dog that was attacked nearly lost it's rear leg but it sounds like it will make a full recovery thankfully.

Hopefully the owner will be quite rightly charged, it's the poor dog I feel so very sorry for.

The is the story of the attack, not too sure what kind of dog owner (of the King Charles Spaniel) takes time out to get photo's of it happening but there we go. Some of the images in the link below are quite graphic.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-21828335

Obviously if you know the man pictured please contact Bedfordshire police.

I didn't know it was the owner taking the photos. How anyone would be able to take photos whilst this happened is beyond me. I've seen dogs fight before and the last thing on my mind had been taking photos...Strange.

MatLogan wrote:I didn't know it was the owner taking the photos. How anyone would be able to take photos whilst this happened is beyond me. I've seen dogs fight before and the last thing on my mind had been taking photos...Strange.

Yes, you and me both Mat.

How disgusting of any owner to take pics of such a horrific scene! What an owner!!

Filthy scum bags, I would have no problem tossing that coward under a passing bus, Would he try to set his dog on a large Pit bull or a dog that had the tools to defend itself, i dont think so! That poor little dog had no chance and the cowardly Ba*@$!d knew it.
I hope they find all of them and throw the book at them!!

As for the other owner, it is quite possible that he or she had tried to rescue their pooch and was threatened off by the intimidating gang of lackeys hanging around, don't forget that there are many frail people out there who would have been just as helpless as the dog was, we should not be too quick to judge,

Yeah Ive seen a few other photos too Mat - horrible

Yea some were a bit too rough to show on the forum IMO. Awful.

MatLogan wrote:Yea some were a bit too rough to show on the forum IMO. Awful.

Yeah definitely

To be fair to this lady she tried to defend her dog and was bitten, she certainly doesn't have the physical capacity to remove the other dog from hers and she was certain her dog was going to die, what she did manage to do was take clear pictures of the dog and owner and scream for help. Her actions alerted passers by who managed to seperate the dogs and the pictures of both dog and owner are viral, somebody will recognize him. Also they have a real picture of a real dangerous dog to use, or would people prefer she didn't get what evidence she could and the media could use the image of the snapping staffy for yet another staffy bashing story. And where in that story does it give the impression that the other owner "set" his dog on the spaniel, and where does it specify there was a gang? Have I missed part of the story or are people just looking at the pictures and forming their own conclusion? The owners a c- regardless, the dog looks as if it's trained to be aggressive, although I'd say for protection rather than dog fighting and he then walked off rather than take responsibility, the dog is a lost cause and needs putting to sleep and the owner needs to be brought to justice, or even pts.

I'm def not disputing the benefit of the photos all I'm saying was in the heat of a dog fight I can't believe she even thought of pictures. My dog attacked my granda's dog once many years ago and I can barely remember a thing from the whole incident because it was so extreme.

Yes the photos will hopefully bring some sort of justice, however there are many of these "find this man" photos on social networking sites that never really acheive anything. Hopefully the fact that this story has gotten a little further will give a different outcome.

I would say the dog looks like a fighting dog to me. From the pictures it has obvious scars that a personal protection dog wouldn't have typically. I have always been led to believe Staffords would never make a great personal protection or guard dogs due to their temperment. I could be wrong though.

I agree about the temprement thing and don't know much about fighting dogs, I'll be honest I made my judgement on the look of the owner, he looks the typical f4ggoty type that needs a nasty looking dog to make him look tough. I also agree in the heat of a fight it would be unusuall to even think about taking pictures, I'd probably fight like f- with the other dog until one of us gave up, however I wouldn't give up very easily and by the sound of it you wouldn't either, realistically there's little chance of coming out on top of one of these dogs and I think this lady had realized that and did the next best thing she could, can't knock her really would have been a much worse story if she'd been torn up aswell.

You're right that the woman would have had no chance though breaking them up on her own. It looks a very powerful dog and I'd say a grown man would have struggled. I met a guy walking an ex fighting dog he rescued and it looked very similar, it was a lovely dog and so was the owner, but even he would tell you it wasn't safe to have around or near dogs. The looks is all I'd be going on to say it was this kinda dog.

Must have been horrible for the woman though, even though her dog is ok, it is a very hard thing to get out of your head.

Jesus, this is why we get such a bad rep from jack asses (cnt put what i think) like him! He has clearly 'trained' his dog shall we say to attack! I sorry for the poor dog attacked, the owner who had to witness this and also the poor staffy X as i would not like to imagine what that poor dog has to go through on a daily basics!

TBH god forbid this ever happened to me and tyke i could not know what i would do!

stig wrote: And where in that story does it give the impression that the other owner "set" his dog on the spaniel, and where does it specify there was a gang? Have I missed part of the story or are people just looking at the pictures and forming their own conclusion?

Good point stig,
yes i am making my own conclusion, in the photo's there are more than 2 people commonly known as a gang of lads, and i have to concede your point that it is not mentioned anywhere that the owner set his dog on the spaniel. Must have attacked it on its own accord then eh ?

I've seen this else where and alot of people including me think the whole 'set up' is a bit weird and that the cav could possibly be a bait dog or something similar.

In reality if you dog was getting attacked you would do anything to get the other dog off not stand back and take photos as your dog is being attacked...

All very dodgy to me

ella wrote:I've seen this else where and alot of people including me think the whole 'set up' is a bit weird and that the cav could possibly be a bait dog or something similar.

In reality if you dog was getting attacked you would do anything to get the other dog off not stand back and take photos as your dog is being attacked...

All very dodgy to me

Know what you are saying Ella , or at least I think I do . So why on earth would they set themselves up with clear pictures ??

Dave wrote:

ella wrote:I've seen this else where and alot of people including me think the whole 'set up' is a bit weird and that the cav could possibly be a bait dog or something similar.

In reality if you dog was getting attacked you would do anything to get the other dog off not stand back and take photos as your dog is being attacked...

All very dodgy to me

Know what you are saying Ella , or at least I think I do . So why on earth would they set themselves up with clear pictures ??

why would they take photos in the first place, i think it's a cover up to act like it was an attack hence the photos

If it genuine she is a god awful owner of the cav

I thought you can't even be arrested or anything for a dog attack? Or are they thinking it was on purpose and that's why they want info on the owner of the dog that attacked? Least the dog's gonna be OK though, that's something at least.

I saw a report of this is in Daily Mail, and they printed one photo of the dog attacking the spaniel, with the aggresive dog's owner.

I thought it was very strange too that the spaniel's owner stood back and took her digital camera out of her bag, or wherever, and took not just one but now it seems several photos of the attack. I'm afraid that if it my dog being attacked I wouldn't have stood by and taken photos - I would be dragging the offending dog off of my dog.

Oh, and the Daily Mail referred to the attacking dog as a "Pit Bull".

I find it odd still that the owner was able to take such clear photos. However, everyone deals with things differently I guess. I'm sure if it is totally as described the group with the Staff X would be quite intimidating.

I really don't want to believe there is something hidden in the story, though I can't deny there is something a bit odd about the whole thing.

Tony n Jane wrote:

stig wrote: And where in that story does it give the impression that the other owner "set" his dog on the spaniel, and where does it specify there was a gang? Have I missed part of the story or are people just looking at the pictures and forming their own conclusion?

Good point stig,
yes i am making my own conclusion, in the photo's there are more than 2 people commonly known as a gang of lads, and i have to concede your point that it is not mentioned anywhere that the owner set his dog on the spaniel. Must have attacked it on its own accord then eh ?

Yes there were more than 2 people in the picture, the dogs owner and 2 passers by who helped seperate the dogs, and it looks like one of them is trying to stop the owner walking away, not a "gang" of lads intmidating the other dogs owner. "the dog just attacked on his own accord" oh no, dogs don't have a mind of their own, surely there aren't dogs out there that just attack other dogs for no reason. Matt has admitted his dog is aggressive towards other dogs and has attacked his grandad's dog, and my brother has a rottweiler that if given the opportunity would tear apart every dog it came across, neither Matt or my brother seem the sort to set their dogs on people. I'm not disputing this guy hasn't used his dog to fight other dogs, merely pointing out that the victim isn't saying the other dogs owner encouraged or commanded his dog to attack, which is the impression people reading this thread will get.

stig wrote:
Matt has admitted his dog is aggressive towards other dogs and has attacked his grandad's dog.

Just one wee bit to add. It isn't Logan

My last dog Suzi who passed away a few years ago was the dog in question and was very dog aggressive.

I'm sorry i still don't believe this story is genuine and that we don't know the whole picture

MatLogan wrote:

stig wrote:
Matt has admitted his dog is aggressive towards other dogs and has attacked his grandad's dog.

Just one wee bit to add. It isn't Logan

My last dog Suzi who passed away a few years ago was the dog in question and was very dog aggressive.

I hope me using that incident as an example didn't come across offensive, and tbh I wasn't sure whether it was Logan or not but had a feeling it might not have been, I was a little mythed that somebody could think a dog wouldn't just attack of their own accord, and being you are a genuinely decent owner and had a dog that did just that I figured it would be a good example.

Ella-you may be right, I doubt we'll ever know though as I doubt the owner will ever be questioned, I'm with Matt on this and can only hope that whats written in the article is the truth

Well having had both my dogs attacked which lasted a few minutes there was no way or chance i could have stood back and took photos.

This 'attack' apparently went on for 30 minutes and yet the cav only has minor injuries hmmm yer ok

stig wrote:I hope me using that incident as an example didn't come across offensive, and tbh I wasn't sure whether it was Logan or not but had a feeling it might not have been

You didn't offend me fella don't worry about that at all

Logan is a great boy tbh I've no probs with him at all really.

But my last dog Suzi was an ex hunting dog who had came from an awful background. She'd have attacked any dog she could see.

I'm inclined to agree with Ella. It seems a little fishy. If it's totally true, then shame on the aggressive dog's owner! He should be brought to justice!

Poor spaniel, glad he's going to be ok. If it had happened to me & my dog, would I have thought to get photos taken of it all? No, I'm afraid I wouldn't.

stig wrote:"the dog just attacked on his own accord" oh no, dogs don't have a mind of their own, surely there aren't dogs out there that just attack other dogs for no reason.

A tad sarcastic, wouldn't you say?

i can understand getting photos of your dogs injuries when your AT the vet but not mid attack and thats what makes it fishy to me

Exactly. Once it's over & you've taken care of your pet as far as you can, then by all means take pics, but I doubt that I would have the time or the tought to take them while it was going on.

If she'd tried to stop the dog attacking her dog but realised she couldn't, maybe she thought it was the next best thing. I hate to admit it, but I'm pretty small and weak, I doubt I'd be able to break up a dog fight at all, and I wouldn't stand back and do nothing, but maybe she thought it was pointless and was trying to do something else. That said, what dog fight goes on for 30 minutes? I don't know about illegal dog fights, but certainly normal dogs that aren't trained to fight, just dog-aggressive ones, aren't going to fight for so long? And if they did, a dog like that would rip apart that small dog easily, no? So although I can understand the owner deciding to take pictures to an extent, it still seems...weird. But any hidden agenda seems weird too.

I think I must have missed something along the way, where did it say the fight went on for 30 minutes, or was this information given out on the interview with the owner, I haven't been able to listen to that part yet ??

Kathy wrote:I think I must have missed something along the way, where did it say the fight went on for 30 minutes, or was this information given out on the interview with the owner, I haven't been able to listen to that part yet ??

the owner wrote it on fb where the photos were originally posted

30 minutes is a very long time for dogs to be fighting, in the interview the owner of the spaniel claims 15-20 minutes, bear in mind 2 minutes can easily feel like 5 minutes when you're waiting for help and I doubt she checked the time the moment the attack started and checked again when it was over, I'm gonna stereotype here and say she doesn't look the type to be involved in such activities, but I've been wrong about people many times before.

Curioser and curioser ...

See the story isn't consistent bare in mind it all went on FB with photos before any media got hold of it, and she said that spot had been attacked for 30+ minutes before they were separated and she took him to the vet, and yet only ad minor injuries and needed a couple of stitches?

I had lots of fun talking on the FB topic of this.

Thing is we don't know the story. This dog could have slipped the lead or the owner might have thought no other dogs were about or he might have just been ignorant. I know lexi would do this to another dog which is why she is very very rarely off lead unless there is NOONE about. But that doeosn't mean i have trained her to do this or i am a bad owner or my dog is dangerous.


Im not commenting on the fact he supposedly tried to run away, cause thats totally different topic to me.

another thing that gets me is the 'owner' of the staffy the bloke in the photos, his body language is ALL wrong to be supposedly trying to pull his dog off, he's holding the dog well scruffing it but leaning forward whilst pushing the dog towards the cav?

One commenti heard said that the fella pulling it off is a passer by trying to help. i dk. Something just off about this story.

I still refuse to believe that this is one man who had an aggressive dog off the
lead and it attacked a passing dog. The whole thing stinks and to me still looks like a gang of youths setting a dog onto a weaker victim. Your free to draw your own conclusions as am I.

The two guys in hats were passers by who tried to help. from looking at the picture with the owner and dog I can see one massive oversized choke chain. a dog would only need to back up two paces and move left or right to get out of that.
the woman has a FB account which is public and makes things a little clearer than the media reports.
although last thing on my mind would be taking pictures as well, maybee when my dog was safe but while it was happening id be doing my damndist to seperate them

I don't believe we went to the moon.

Hayley wrote:I don't believe we went to the moon.

Me neither, and I will not be easily convinced otherwise, until me or someone I know are in a position to say "oh, I was in the travel agents and they have cheap tickets to the moon, I hear it's nice this time of year", I refuse to believe it ever happened

Hayley wrote:I don't believe we went to the moon.

me neither i don't know many who do haha!

We're so cynical hahaha

Hayley wrote:I don't believe we went to the moon.

Not many inteligent people do!

Low life scum is the words i use for this