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Post by Guest Wed Jan 12 2011, 19:34

hi
got back from the vet today with billy for his 2nd jab and the vet said that he only had one testical and if the other one had not dropped by the time he was 1 year then he would have to have an op to remove the one that was stuck.

well i was so surprised, I never thought to look when we bought him, what we saw we thought was normal and they came later, how niave was i.

What are your thoughts on this, is it quite common, is it a serious op, what are the odds on the other one dropping

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Post by Steve Wed Jan 12 2011, 19:44

Sad poor fella, i think i saw this problem on a couple on these vets show but i'm not sure if it's a common thing.

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Post by Saratoga Wed Jan 12 2011, 20:14

When we took Kane for his jabs we were told the same! By the time he was 18 months he had got a perfect set of two lol!! He is now almost 6 and fathered a gorg litter of 8 pups last september, so there is a good chance he will be fine, but just keep an eye on him, and obviously the vet will be there for advice, and of course many others on here who prob have better experience than most lol! Smile xx
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Post by gem Wed Jan 12 2011, 20:52

Ive not had any experience there but to be honest I didnt notice my boys there till he was quite a few months old so I would say give it more time its early days
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Post by Guest Wed Jan 12 2011, 21:20

A dog's testicles 'drop' at different times from breed to breed & from dog to dog. By the time they are 6 months old you would expect both to be fully descended. You would not have known when you bought the pup, because there would have been little or nothing to see or feel for a while!

I'm surprised the vet doesn't know this - your pup's only 3 months old, there's still plenty of time!

However, if both testicles don't descend then you will have to have the undescended one removed surgically as it could cause health problems later on.

A little tip, if you've the stomach for it - run your fingers firmly but gently over his testicle(s) and try to very lightly to ease them away from his body. Massaging the area can help the testicles to descend normally.

Testicle lesson no. 1 over - for homework.............see last paragraph! Laughing

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Post by Guest Wed Jan 12 2011, 21:57

I don't think you meant one has not dropped because it can take a good year for it to do so, so it simply isn't there to drop right? If the other testicle does not show and he does need the operation they mostly go ok but it really depends where the other testicle got lost most are found in the lower part of the body but whether it is up near the spine or down by the abdomine really depends,I'm sure he'll be fine though.

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Post by lolalollypop Wed Jan 12 2011, 22:05

ouch I dont want to s
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Post by Guest Wed Jan 12 2011, 22:07

The testicles usually descend from the abdomen between 4 & 7 days after birth. They then migrate down to the scrotal sac & 'drop' so that you can see & feel 2 apparently normal testicles. However, it's the dropping that often takes the time, not the migrating.

If the vet means that the testicle has not 'made the journey' from the abdomen to the scrotal sac, then he will recommend surgery to remove it. If it has migrated, but not yet dropped, then it could happen any time soon!!

The testicles cannot end up near the spine, they will remain either in the abdomen or the scrotal sac.

This is quite a good & interesting article........
http://www.dogstuff.info/cryptorchidism.html

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 13 2011, 08:26

wow thank you you all for your replies. having a look a the link now Caryll


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Post by Guest Thu Jan 13 2011, 10:03

The thing to remember is, it isn't the end of the world (unless you planned to show or breed!) and it isn't a danger to your dog's life.

Statistics show that dogs with a retained testicle are slightly more likely to get testicular cancer, but that's the only draw back.

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 13 2011, 13:38

But if you were going to neuter regardless then that gets rid of the slightly increased cancer risk anyway! Big Grin

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 13 2011, 14:16

Caryll wrote:The testicles usually descend from the abdomen between 4 & 7 days after birth. They then migrate down to the scrotal sac & 'drop' so that you can see & feel 2 apparently normal testicles. However, it's the dropping that often takes the time, not the migrating.

If the vet means that the testicle has not 'made the journey' from the abdomen to the scrotal sac, then he will recommend surgery to remove it. If it has migrated, but not yet dropped, then it could happen any time soon!!

The testicles cannot end up near the spine, they will remain either in the abdomen or the scrotal sac.

This is quite a good & interesting article........
http://www.dogstuff.info/cryptorchidism.html

Straight away no they can not end up near the spine but over time they tend to be shifted around by the organs and body growth, but if the vet said he'll take it at an early age then it won't end up near the back passage or spine but in forgotton cases and with years of shifting position and growing of the dog, vets have removed them from high up near the spine and back passage.

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 13 2011, 14:19

But they can't shift! They are attached to the internal organs by the spermatic cord which remains in place no matter what happens to the balls! They either remain inside the abdominal cavity, or they remain just outside of the scrotal sac.

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 13 2011, 14:28

Caryll wrote:But they can't shift! They are attached to the internal organs by the spermatic cord which remains in place no matter what happens to the balls! They either remain inside the abdominal cavity, or they remain just outside of the scrotal sac.

My nans dog scout the JRT got paralized because he had a undescending testicle too near the spinal cord and it got clipped, it can happen.

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 13 2011, 15:38

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. It cannot move around in that way, it's attached to the abdominal cavity. If you're in any doubt about this, please read the link I posted a couple of posts back.

All I can say is there was something else that paralysed your nan's dog.

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 13 2011, 15:46

Caryll wrote:I'm sorry, but you're wrong. It cannot move around in that way, it's attached to the abdominal cavity. If you're in any doubt about this, please read the link I posted a couple of posts back.

All I can say is there was something else that paralysed your nan's dog.

I know what you mean and i know its very rare, websites aren't always right, but i remember the operation and i remember what was said and i remember having to change dog diapers several times a day until he died at home a few days later.

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 13 2011, 15:47

It's still impossible. Yes, websites can be wrong, but medical science isn't. That's how the testcles are attached to the body, they can't travel around like that.

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 13 2011, 15:58

Caryll wrote:It's still impossible. Yes, websites can be wrong, but medical science isn't. That's how the testcles are attached to the body, they can't travel around like that.

Yes they can, I'm not going to have yet another debate with you Caryll so i'm out.

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 13 2011, 15:59

OK.

Just as a last thought, MisRogue, are you sure that what your nan's dog had wasn't a tumour caused by an undescended testicle? That is certainly possible & could well cause paralysis.

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Post by youngkaiser Thu Jan 13 2011, 20:42

I agree with you on this caryll. i know someone whos dog had a testicle stuck and it did drop as the dog gotm older i woudnt worry about it too much he got plenty of time yet you probably wouldnt of noticed anyway when you got him to be honest
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Post by Guest Fri Jan 14 2011, 08:25

thank you for your re assurances


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Post by Nosipho Fri Jan 14 2011, 12:06

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Lets look at this logically and anatomically....
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