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Post by eogh on Mon May 14 2012, 12:54

I don't know if there is many people on there that are involved in dog shows. But I was wandering if people think you have a better chance of having a champion show dog if it is black in colour. I've been at a few shows here in Ireland over the last few years and most of the winner have been black or black brindle . Is it just down to what the judge prefers or are black Staffords just better. I have a 5 month old red staff that comes from good breeding and I'm hoping to show her. I just want to see if ppl think it makes a difference
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Re: Does colour make a differencewhen showing

Post by Taryn on Mon May 14 2012, 13:06

the winner of crufts this year was red and white. but some people just have a prefrence. at some point you realise who likes reds, who likes black and who doesnt care, but it take a while to figure it out. Honestly i dont think colour should matter when showing, but some judges are just like that
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Post by eogh on Mon May 14 2012, 13:58

The breeder I got her from say he only shows if he knows the judge has a preference for reds or if he think the judge has no preference.
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Post by Guest on Mon May 14 2012, 14:53

Judges should look at the dog, not the colour. It's only if he has two equally good dogs he must choose from that colour should come into it. There are many red dogs that win at shows, so I don't think there's a bias against reds.

My old boy Bandit's brother was red & he won plenty!

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Post by Taryn on Mon May 14 2012, 15:32

you're just going to have to try your luck and see if it works out honey Big Grin
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Post by eogh on Mon May 14 2012, 16:43

I'll learn as I go plus I'll kick judge * that don't pick my penny LOL Big Grin
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Post by Taryn on Mon May 14 2012, 19:32

hahah i feel the same. Romeo has a comp next month... i have never seen this judge before from sweden, so i will see how we go.
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Post by Guest on Mon May 14 2012, 20:29

There shouldn't be bias, but i think generally blacks have attributes that are more typical of the breed. Not always of course.

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Post by Guest on Mon May 14 2012, 20:40

Equi wrote:There shouldn't be bias, but i think generally blacks have attributes that are more typical of the breed. Not always of course.

I so wish I had papers for Tilly , loads of people have come up to me and said they thought she would do well Sad

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Post by Guest on Mon May 14 2012, 20:51

Equi wrote:There shouldn't be bias, but i think generally blacks have attributes that are more typical of the breed. Not always of course.

I don't think so. Everyone has their preference, of course, even judges. But I don't think that they judge on colour, and I don't think that blacks have attrributes that reds, for example, don't. The biggest problem is actually with a pied dog because the uneven markings can alter the shape of the dog to the naked eye. That's why all judges should run their hands over a dog & know what they're feeling for!

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Post by eogh on Mon May 14 2012, 21:05

Romeo wrote:hahah i feel the same. Romeo has a comp next month... i have never seen this judge before from sweden, so i will see how we go.



Hope it goes well for u. Penny has her first next months it just a small open show more doing it to see if she enjoys it. Have u any tips?
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Re: Does colour make a differencewhen showing

Post by eogh on Mon May 14 2012, 21:08

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Equi wrote:There shouldn't be bias, but i think generally blacks have attributes that are more typical of the breed. Not always of course.

I don't think so. Everyone has their preference, of course, even judges. But I don't think that they judge on colour, and I don't think that blacks have attrributes that reds, for example, don't. The biggest problem is actually with a pied dog because the uneven markings can alter the shape of the dog to the naked eye. That's why all judges should run their hands over a dog & know what they're feeling for!


I really hope it is more to do with the dog than colour. Has I read in a book about staffs a good dogs is a good colour
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Post by Guest on Mon May 14 2012, 21:11

yes, go to your local ringcraft, i found this a great help x

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Post by Guest on Mon May 14 2012, 22:29

eogh wrote: Have u any tips?

Relax & enjoy the day! Watch other exhibitors & see how they present their dogs - see if you can pick up some hints to use with your dog!

eogh wrote:
I really hope it is more to do with the dog than colour. Has I read in a book about staffs a good dogs is a good colour

Although that's true to an extent, a poor colour (ie washed out or uneven markings) can go against a dog. Once the judge has gone over each individual dog he will then step back & compare one to another. That's when things like colour & 'ring presence' come into it.

kenny d wrote:yes, go to your local ringcraft, i found this a great help x

Ringcraft classes are useful as long as the people running them know how staffs are set up in the ring - it isn't the same as other breeds that are stood sideways on to the judge - staffs are shown facing the judge.

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Post by Taryn on Mon May 14 2012, 22:38

if the breeder has shown, maybe you could ask for some tips from them, that is who taught me
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Post by eogh on Mon May 14 2012, 23:12

I've being doing some training with her any she stand quiet well so far but I'd said it will be the judge touching her will take some work she'll be trying to lick and play with them LOL I've looked In to ring craft and there is nothing local closest is 2 hour drive away. He breeder say I can call down with her but he lives further. Sometimes it suck living in the middle of nowhere LOL
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Post by Taryn on Tue May 15 2012, 09:58

ah my breeder life an hour away by train luckily for me. I started training Romeo very young to stand and be touch so he doesnt mind at all, not even a bit of ball grabing XD as long as that food is infront of his face its like he is in a trance. food is always great to use with this, or if they have a toy that they die for use that. try watching som evids on youtube like the craft show.
I have heard from Romeo's fathers owner that they have had bais that a judge always picks brindles or black, but Romeo's mother is white and red and she has no problems what so ever, she is champion of so many countrys so. try not to panic so much Big Grin
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Post by Guest on Tue May 15 2012, 10:21

eogh wrote:I've being doing some training with her any she stand quiet well so far but I'd said it will be the judge touching her will take some work she'll be trying to lick and play with them LOL I've looked In to ring craft and there is nothing local closest is 2 hour drive away. He breeder say I can call down with her but he lives further. Sometimes it suck living in the middle of nowhere LOL

What about an ordinary training class? You'd need to tell them that when you stop you want your dog to stand instead of sit (that's what I did with Dempsey) but it'll get her used to strangers with dogs around her & the trainer could run his/her hands over her a couple of times each class to get her used to it.

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Post by eogh on Tue May 15 2012, 12:16

That's good thinking I may look in to that cause theres is a few around . Thanks caryll Smile
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Post by Panda on Tue Dec 11 2012, 17:31

If your dog has one different colour paw to the other three, it makes his gait look odd and unbalanced, (as in showing horses) and its possible he could be marked down if the judge is not up to scratch.
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Re: Does colour make a differencewhen showing

Post by spenc on Fri Feb 08 2013, 22:49

Dave wrote:
Equi wrote:There shouldn't be bias, but i think generally blacks have attributes that are more typical of the breed. Not always of course.

I so wish I had papers for Tilly , loads of people have come up to me and said they thought she would do well Sad
Have you not thought of showing tommy Dave he is a handsome lad
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Post by Guest on Sat Feb 09 2013, 00:33

spenc wrote:
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Equi wrote:There shouldn't be bias, but i think generally blacks have attributes that are more typical of the breed. Not always of course.

I so wish I had papers for Tilly , loads of people have come up to me and said they thought she would do well Sad
Have you not thought of showing tommy Dave he is a handsome lad

Think TBH Ian I'd be a bit scared if he did well that Tilly would get her nose shoved out , not sure he is show material though but he is a damned handsome lad , best looking litter I've ever seen Big Grin

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Post by spenc on Sat Mar 02 2013, 11:26

Dave wrote:
spenc wrote:
Dave wrote:
Equi wrote:There shouldn't be bias, but i think generally blacks have attributes that are more typical of the breed. Not always of course.

I so wish I had papers for Tilly , loads of people have come up to me and said they thought she would do well Sad
Have you not thought of showing tommy Dave he is a handsome lad

Think TBH Ian I'd be a bit scared if he did well that Tilly would get her nose shoved out , not sure he is show material though but he is a damned handsome lad , best looking litter I've ever seen Big Grin
you can take tilly with you he will do well he I think he is so handsome
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Post by Guest on Wed May 29 2013, 18:21

Dave wrote:
Equi wrote:There shouldn't be bias, but i think generally blacks have attributes that are more typical of the breed. Not always of course.

I so wish I had papers for Tilly , loads of people have come up to me and said they thought she would do well Sad
Some of the nicest staffords i've seen havnt always had papers Big Grin

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Post by Tenby on Sat Apr 11 2015, 22:20

Black Brindle's are by far the most popular colour within the show ring (here in the U.K.). I don't believe they win more 'As A Colour' because they are superior to other colours, I think its just because there are 'Many More Of Them'.
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