Does colour make a differencewhen showing

I don't know if there is many people on there that are involved in dog shows. But I was wandering if people think you have a better chance of having a champion show dog if it is black in colour. I've been at a few shows here in Ireland over the last few years and most of the winner have been black or black brindle . Is it just down to what the judge prefers or are black Staffords just better. I have a 5 month old red staff that comes from good breeding and I'm hoping to show her. I just want to see if ppl think it makes a difference

the winner of crufts this year was red and white. but some people just have a prefrence. at some point you realise who likes reds, who likes black and who doesnt care, but it take a while to figure it out. Honestly i dont think colour should matter when showing, but some judges are just like that

The breeder I got her from say he only shows if he knows the judge has a preference for reds or if he think the judge has no preference.

Judges should look at the dog, not the colour. It's only if he has two equally good dogs he must choose from that colour should come into it. There are many red dogs that win at shows, so I don't think there's a bias against reds.

My old boy Bandit's brother was red & he won plenty!

you're just going to have to try your luck and see if it works out honey

I'll learn as I go plus I'll kick judge * that don't pick my penny LOL

hahah i feel the same. Romeo has a comp next month... i have never seen this judge before from sweden, so i will see how we go.

There shouldn't be bias, but i think generally blacks have attributes that are more typical of the breed. Not always of course.

Equi wrote:There shouldn't be bias, but i think generally blacks have attributes that are more typical of the breed. Not always of course.

I so wish I had papers for Tilly , loads of people have come up to me and said they thought she would do well

Equi wrote:There shouldn't be bias, but i think generally blacks have attributes that are more typical of the breed. Not always of course.

I don't think so. Everyone has their preference, of course, even judges. But I don't think that they judge on colour, and I don't think that blacks have attrributes that reds, for example, don't. The biggest problem is actually with a pied dog because the uneven markings can alter the shape of the dog to the naked eye. That's why all judges should run their hands over a dog & know what they're feeling for!

Romeo wrote:hahah i feel the same. Romeo has a comp next month... i have never seen this judge before from sweden, so i will see how we go.

Hope it goes well for u. Penny has her first next months it just a small open show more doing it to see if she enjoys it. Have u any tips?

Caryll wrote:

Equi wrote:There shouldn't be bias, but i think generally blacks have attributes that are more typical of the breed. Not always of course.

I don't think so. Everyone has their preference, of course, even judges. But I don't think that they judge on colour, and I don't think that blacks have attrributes that reds, for example, don't. The biggest problem is actually with a pied dog because the uneven markings can alter the shape of the dog to the naked eye. That's why all judges should run their hands over a dog & know what they're feeling for!

I really hope it is more to do with the dog than colour. Has I read in a book about staffs a good dogs is a good colour

yes, go to your local ringcraft, i found this a great help x

eogh wrote: Have u any tips?

Relax & enjoy the day! Watch other exhibitors & see how they present their dogs - see if you can pick up some hints to use with your dog!

eogh wrote:
I really hope it is more to do with the dog than colour. Has I read in a book about staffs a good dogs is a good colour

Although that's true to an extent, a poor colour (ie washed out or uneven markings) can go against a dog. Once the judge has gone over each individual dog he will then step back & compare one to another. That's when things like colour & 'ring presence' come into it.

kenny d wrote:yes, go to your local ringcraft, i found this a great help x

Ringcraft classes are useful as long as the people running them know how staffs are set up in the ring - it isn't the same as other breeds that are stood sideways on to the judge - staffs are shown facing the judge.

if the breeder has shown, maybe you could ask for some tips from them, that is who taught me

I've being doing some training with her any she stand quiet well so far but I'd said it will be the judge touching her will take some work she'll be trying to lick and play with them LOL I've looked In to ring craft and there is nothing local closest is 2 hour drive away. He breeder say I can call down with her but he lives further. Sometimes it suck living in the middle of nowhere LOL

ah my breeder life an hour away by train luckily for me. I started training Romeo very young to stand and be touch so he doesnt mind at all, not even a bit of ball grabing XD as long as that food is infront of his face its like he is in a trance. food is always great to use with this, or if they have a toy that they die for use that. try watching som evids on youtube like the craft show.
I have heard from Romeo's fathers owner that they have had bais that a judge always picks brindles or black, but Romeo's mother is white and red and she has no problems what so ever, she is champion of so many countrys so. try not to panic so much

eogh wrote:I've being doing some training with her any she stand quiet well so far but I'd said it will be the judge touching her will take some work she'll be trying to lick and play with them LOL I've looked In to ring craft and there is nothing local closest is 2 hour drive away. He breeder say I can call down with her but he lives further. Sometimes it suck living in the middle of nowhere LOL

What about an ordinary training class? You'd need to tell them that when you stop you want your dog to stand instead of sit (that's what I did with Dempsey) but it'll get her used to strangers with dogs around her & the trainer could run his/her hands over her a couple of times each class to get her used to it.

That's good thinking I may look in to that cause theres is a few around . Thanks caryll

If your dog has one different colour paw to the other three, it makes his gait look odd and unbalanced, (as in showing horses) and its possible he could be marked down if the judge is not up to scratch.

Dave wrote:

Equi wrote:There shouldn't be bias, but i think generally blacks have attributes that are more typical of the breed. Not always of course.

I so wish I had papers for Tilly , loads of people have come up to me and said they thought she would do well

Have you not thought of showing tommy Dave he is a handsome lad

spenc wrote:

Dave wrote:

Equi wrote:There shouldn't be bias, but i think generally blacks have attributes that are more typical of the breed. Not always of course.

I so wish I had papers for Tilly , loads of people have come up to me and said they thought she would do well

Have you not thought of showing tommy Dave he is a handsome lad

Think TBH Ian I'd be a bit scared if he did well that Tilly would get her nose shoved out , not sure he is show material though but he is a damned handsome lad , best looking litter I've ever seen

Dave wrote:

spenc wrote:

Dave wrote:

Equi wrote:There shouldn't be bias, but i think generally blacks have attributes that are more typical of the breed. Not always of course.

I so wish I had papers for Tilly , loads of people have come up to me and said they thought she would do well

Have you not thought of showing tommy Dave he is a handsome lad

Think TBH Ian I'd be a bit scared if he did well that Tilly would get her nose shoved out , not sure he is show material though but he is a damned handsome lad , best looking litter I've ever seen

you can take tilly with you he will do well he I think he is so handsome

Dave wrote:

Equi wrote:There shouldn't be bias, but i think generally blacks have attributes that are more typical of the breed. Not always of course.

I so wish I had papers for Tilly , loads of people have come up to me and said they thought she would do well

Some of the nicest staffords i've seen havnt always had papers

Black Brindle's are by far the most popular colour within the show ring (here in the U.K.). I don't believe they win more 'As A Colour' because they are superior to other colours, I think its just because there are 'Many More Of Them'.