blue staffys

Just a question how much would i have to pay for a blue staffy without the papers,I know if they have the papers.Then they can cost a lot more.What would be a reasonable price to pay for one without papers.

I'm not sure, but be careful no papers can mean bad breeding, puppy farms or crossbreeds.

I wouldn't pay over 100 for an unregistered dog dont matter what colour it is..

You have to be really careful buying a blue dog, if i was going to buy i would want the mum to be black / black brindle, alot of people are breeding 2 blue together but that can make alot of health issues.

Thanks for the replys.Ive been told that someone on the estate we live on breeds the blues and sells them for 550 pounds with no papers.We payed 200 pounds for milly.Which we didnt think was too bad as we was shown both parents.We arent buying from a breeder again we are having a rescue next time

i love leah and lois wrote:Thanks for the replys.Ive been told that someone on the estate we live on breeds the blues and sells them for 550 pounds with no papers.We payed 200 pounds for milly.Which we didnt think was too bad as we was shown both parents.We arent buying from a breeder again we are having a rescue next time

the same as every one has said be carefull there a lot of ppl selling un papered blues as "irish staffys" i also wouldnt pay anymore for an un paperd blue than any other colour.

Sorry just my 2 pennys worth, I would not pay for dog without a full ped full stop. Far too many in shelters, I know you are rescueing and for that thank you, but the only way to stop over breeding/cross breeding is for people to stop buying the pups.

We did a lot of looking phoneing around when we were after a blue ... I wouldnt consider one without full pedigree/papers, and seeing both parents, unless I was rescueing.

It p!ss's me off when people obviously just want to make money, and take advantage of buyers that have set their heart on a blue Staffy ... 550 with no papers is a joke tbh

If you do want a bluey, save up, and get a good un like we did

Andy were did you get max from if you dont mind me asking.

i love leah and lois wrote:Andy were did you get max from if you dont mind me asking.

A private first time breeder believe it or not, who was bout 130miles away!! as we couldnt find the right litter anywhere at the time (believe me, there's nothing quite like £££ to make you focus on finding the right dog for you! good Staff's arnt cheap, and blue's are normally a bit more!!) but she payed a handsome stud fee for the dad (a champ), and mom was .. well .. adorable, all health checks clear, lovely face and lean build

Max was the big boy of the litter following his dad , but amongst the blue's was one big fawn girl ... she was gorgeous

was both parents blue?

Mom was blue/white, dad was blue/brindle like Max

do you know why the blue come about?

what aload of tosh blue should be no more than any other colour there are some going for £1200 at the mo billy has 21 champs in his ped and i paid £550 3 yrs ago which is a good price for any colour staff the blue has been overbred with greedy people out there which is why i got kya a blue pied and im not breeding my two to make a profit thats why im having kya spayed

on my facebook account there are some breeders breeding blue with blue without adding black into the lines it's a disgrace, i try to them them that blue are not normal colour they have a dodgy genes and they are making it stronger it's a time bomb waiting to happen.

I'm going to do a page about it for the website soon.

Isnt it a dilute of the predominantly black gene or summut like that ?

Andy wrote:Isnt it a dilute of the predominantly black gene or summut like that ?

yea that why you have to keep adding black or black brindle back in the lines.

yep blue is a dilute black

the only reasaon i wanted a blue is because over 26 yrs ive had every colour of staff bar pied , and blue

billy and kya wrote:what aload of tosh blue should be no more than any other colour there are some going for £1200 at the mo billy has 21 champs in his ped and i paid £550 3 yrs ago which is a good price for any colour staff the blue has been overbred with greedy people out there which is why i got kya a blue pied and im not breeding my two to make a profit thats why im having kya spayed

Totally agree, I paid what is to me is a lot of money for Max, but no way near what some are going for, and only about the same as any other colour Staffy with a good ped (incidently most of his grand/great grand parents are black and white, black brindle)

Like I said earlier, I hate the people that get hold of a blue bitch thinking they can make a killing, charging over the odds just for the colour, regardless of anything else .. but there are plenty of them out there hence the 260mile round trip each time

Steve wrote:on my facebook account there are some breeders breeding blue with blue without adding black into the lines it's a disgrace, i try to them them that blue are not normal colour they have a dodgy genes and they are making it stronger it's a time bomb waiting to happen.

I'm going to do a page about it for the website soon.

Steve, what do you mean by "time bomb waiting to happen" ?

I cant for the life of me understand why anyone would be so gullible and pay more for a blue dog than any other colour dog .
I dont dislike the colour as I dont any other colour I just like the dog behind it and am amazed by some of the stories that are told to pass a blue dog off for big money

Andy wrote:

Steve wrote:on my facebook account there are some breeders breeding blue with blue without adding black into the lines it's a disgrace, i try to them them that blue are not normal colour they have a dodgy genes and they are making it stronger it's a time bomb waiting to happen.

I'm going to do a page about it for the website soon.

Steve, what do you mean by "time bomb waiting to happen" ?

what i been told is if you keep blue with blue without adding black or black brindle lines a number health issues can pop up in the pups.

before i got memphis looking round for a blue pup i was coming across pups that were papered up were the oldest dog/bitch on there 5 gen peds were like 6 years old people were breeding as soon as they could by kkc rules

Steve wrote:

Andy wrote:

Steve wrote:on my facebook account there are some breeders breeding blue with blue without adding black into the lines it's a disgrace, i try to them them that blue are not normal colour they have a dodgy genes and they are making it stronger it's a time bomb waiting to happen.

I'm going to do a page about it for the website soon.

Steve, what do you mean by "time bomb waiting to happen" ?

what i been told is if you keep blue with blue without adding black or black brindle lines a number health issues can pop up in the pups.

Hmmm, I'd be interested to see evidance of that ... after all, we are only talking about coat pigmentation here as far as I'm aware ? and the exploitation of people's appeal to it !!

bigwazza - I know I saw some of that , and blue siblings being mated (without papers of course) but still asking stupid money cus of the colour .... makes my blood boil

they can have skin/fur problems, eyes problem & other problems

Steve wrote:they can have skin/fur problems, eyes problem & other problems

Cant they all regardless of coat colour ?? I've not seen anything to suggest its a blue thing ??

blue come from a dodgy gene breeding 2 dog with it going make the dodgy stronger and more health problem will pop up,

The trouble with breeding blue with blue over a long period is that each generation of pups are a weaker dilution than the generation before. The standard states staffs should have very dark eyes very dark nails and very dark noses (as close as poss to black). As we all no most blue staffs do not have these standard staff traits and these things will only get worse with breeding blues with blues. So many staffs come so out of standard these days KC and non Kc reg. Everyone who breeds and buys a pup from a breeder should be trying to keep staffords as staffords and that means breeding them as close to standard as possible at all times. The best blues come as a total suprise from two black brindle parents as they have much better pigmentation. In my opinion we shouldnt be purposley be trying to breed blues (or reds or whatever) we should be trying to just breed for conformation to the standard and whatever colours pop up pop up........

Blue isnt a dodgy gene just a weak one which means the dog doesnt conform to the stafford standard.

blaze wrote: In my opinion we shouldnt be purposley be trying to breed blues (or reds or whatever) we should be trying to just breed for conformation to the standard and whatever colours pop up pop up........

Blue isnt a dodgy gene just a weak one which means the dog doesnt conform to the stafford standard.

Absolutely. All matings should be done to improve the breed, not to get a certain colour.

Although blue isn't caused by a dodgy gene, it does bring its own problems, health wise. Many blue staffs have skin allergies.

As do white staffs.....

Very true.

weak gene is an dodgy gene then becasue it's not normal

Andy wrote:

Steve wrote:they can have skin/fur problems, eyes problem & other problems

Cant they all regardless of coat colour ?? I've not seen anything to suggest its a blue thing ??

The dilution of pigment which results in the blue colour also affects the skin & can produce allergies etc, as can the breeding of whites to whites.

Its sort of the same thing (but completley the opposite lol) with liver colour staffs. The liver colour is a domanant gene which is why liver staffs should not be bred from or else the liver colour would domanate all the other colours and eventually wipe them out and there would only be liver staffs.

My breeder told me that blues are not very highly regarded in the show ring and that it's only greedy breeders trying to get high prices for an apparently desirable colour!

Mia was £450 and has full pedigree and is kc registered, dad was blue and mum was blue brindle

*Karen* wrote:My breeder told me that blues are not very highly regarded in the show ring and that it's only greedy breeders trying to get high prices for an apparently desirable colour!

Mia was £450 and has full pedigree and is kc registered, dad was blue and mum was blue brindle

Please don't take this the wrong way (your pup is gorgeous! ), but surely, by breeding blue to blue brindle, the breeder is joining the ££££s bandwagon?

*Karen* wrote:My breeder told me that blues are not very highly regarded in the show ring and that it's only greedy breeders trying to get high prices for an apparently desirable colour!

Mia was £450 and has full pedigree and is kc registered, dad was blue and mum was blue brindle

Thats true, blues dont do as well due to their lack of pigmantation and not being standard. 450 quid is a reasonable price for a kc reg stafford regardless of colour

Caryll wrote:

*Karen* wrote:My breeder told me that blues are not very highly regarded in the show ring and that it's only greedy breeders trying to get high prices for an apparently desirable colour!

Mia was £450 and has full pedigree and is kc registered, dad was blue and mum was blue brindle

Please don't take this the wrong way (your pup is gorgeous! ), but surely, by breeding blue to blue brindle, the breeder is joining the ££££s bandwagon?

also true...

Point taken ha ha she did have two or three staff bitches all different colours which she said we could wait for one of the other litters but that all pups were £450 no matter what colour they were as she only charges enough to cover her costs.... Maybe she uses an expensive vet though if £450 is over the odds for a decent staff?

No i wouldnt say £450 is over the odds for a kc reg staff with all relevent health checks and good ped etc, i would say its a reasonable price. Although if she had the breeds best interest at heart she wouldnt of bred blue to blue but at least she was selling the pups at a reasonable price and more importantly the same price as the rest!

We paid £750 for my beautiful KC Reg Blue staffy. Good pedigree with champs in it.

She came from blue/white Sire and Blue/White Dam. Grandparents also blue/white Great Grandparents: black/brindle

My diesel has black nose/nails/dark eyes/ eye rims.... all as per breed standard...lot of unregistered blue are more grey in color with blue eyes.

I always wanted a staffy - wasnt fussed on the color - but saw Diesel and fell in love, We bought from a good breeder and she has good lines..but that hasnt stopped her having skin issues. [wouldnt change her for the world tho]

I know a lot of ppl say blue is a dilute black [yes] more issues etc but I know a lot of 'other color staffs that have a whole load of issues. I think there is a lot of general negativity assiciated with Blues tbh.

All I can say is - do your research - for any color staffy. Always be KC Registered... and ALWAYS insure them !

I know a lot of 'other color staffs that have a whole load of issues

thats down to irresponsible breeders, good breeders willn't risk damaging their lines by breeding blue with an blue it be black or black brindle with a blue.

Jackieb wrote:We paid £750 for my beautiful KC Reg Blue staffy. Good pedigree with champs in it.

She came from blue/white Sire and Blue/White Dam. Grandparents also blue/white Great Grandparents: black/brindle

My diesel has black nose/nails/dark eyes/ eye rims.... all as per breed standard...lot of unregistered blue are more grey in color with blue eyes.

I always wanted a staffy - wasnt fussed on the color - but saw Diesel and fell in love, We bought from a good breeder and she has good lines..but that hasnt stopped her having skin issues. [wouldnt change her for the world tho]

I know a lot of ppl say blue is a dilute black [yes] more issues etc but I know a lot of 'other color staffs that have a whole load of issues. I think there is a lot of general negativity assiciated with Blues tbh.

All I can say is - do your research - for any color staffy. Always be KC Registered... and ALWAYS insure them !

I wouldnt really say there is negativity surrounding blues just in hell of alot of cases extremley bad breeding which to a reputable breeder breeding for the good of the breed and staffy lovers who care about the good of the breed is ludacris. I just dont no why a "good" breeder would breed generations of blues together for any other reason than having blue pups which equalls money! Why not breed for fantastic conformation......?? and to hell with whatever the colour the pups are.
Maybe its just the picture of your boy but to me his nose isnt the darkest and his eyes look a tad greeny? He is defo gorgeous tho!

Leaving the show standard to one side for a mo, has anyone got any info, example's, hard evidance of health issue's that are attributed to "blues only" ? ... or a scientific based explanation of this "dodgy" gene in "blues only" please ?

We not making this up andy :p others colours can make problem like merle and even white.

Steve wrote:We not making this up andy :p others colours can make problem like merle and even white.

Not sayin you are kid .. just that I've yet to see any "real" evidence of it myself !

I understand that some of the standards for the show ring can be effected with blues, but again, this is just colour related like nose, pale eye's etc .. not the health issue's I keep hearing about in this thread ??

i'm going to do an page about it, yes i will be asking vets the blue and blue breeding what going off on facebook is becoming a joke.

give more a week or too and i will get you a page toread about it

Ok mate cool ... dont do FB so not sure whats going on there ??

blaze wrote:No i wouldnt say £450 is over the odds for a kc reg staff with all relevent health checks and good ped etc, i would say its a reasonable price. Although if she had the breeds best interest at heart she wouldnt of bred blue to blue but at least she was selling the pups at a reasonable price and more importantly the same price as the rest!

If she had the breeds best intrests at heart she wouldnt be knocking pups out at the rate she is and selling the pups at a cheap price means they go quick so supply to demand and I bet each of them girls are having a litter every year when she has registered all she can they will go down in price as unregistered pups then the bitches will be rehomed when they are too old to reproduce see it too many times disgusting

*Karen* wrote:My breeder told me that blues are not very highly regarded in the show ring and that it's only greedy breeders trying to get high prices for an apparently desirable colour!

Mia was £450 and has full pedigree and is kc registered, dad was blue and mum was blue brindle

They arnt regarded in the show ring because very few of them are bred to conform to the standard they are mostly bred for the colour only