Liver staff

Just saw this is trade-it, a liver coloured stafford for stud. Hes too cute but not sure too many people will use him as liver is an undesirable trait. Still, perfect for the back yard breeders who want staff's with that red-nose pitbull look....



http://www.trade-it.co.uk/pets-dogs-staffordshirebullterrier/region-w-uk-bristol-south-west-avon-bristol/kcregisteredstaffyforStud-14862716.html

awww he's a gorgeous dude!

"rare red colour" - yeah sure

lovely though

He's gorgeous and sounds like a great dog, but reputable breeders would not (or I guess I should say "should not") breed a liver colored dog any more than they would breed a black and tan. It's an undesirable color outside of the breed standard.

Aww he is gorgeous though!

ide have him and call him pattie......( liver pattie ) lol hes nice

Liver is undesirable in the breed standard because staffords should have black noses not red.
Black and tan is undesirable because its dominent over all other shades and to breed from this shade would mean that all staffies eventually became black and tan.
I personally think both colours are gorgeous and i would love a liver or b&t-but i would never breed from them!

shakespearesdog wrote:Liver is undesirable in the breed standard because staffords should have black noses not red.
Black and tan is undesirable because its dominent over all other shades and to breed from this shade would mean that all staffies eventually became black and tan.
I personally think both colours are gorgeous and i would love a liver or b&t-but i would never breed from them!

Same here. I would happily have a dog with those colours but would not breed from them.

I agree that both are gorgeous colors and would also gladly have a dog of either color, but that dog would definitely be neutered/spayed.

Same. Def neutered/spayed. Pity that some people only care about money and not the breed itself

Now, when it comes to "breed standards" etc I am a total newbie. What is wrong with breeding certain colours? Does it make the dog prone to illness or something? Is it bad for the dog? Rascal's mum is black and white, her dad is tan. Her grandmother was brindle, grandfather black and white.

Oh, and Rascal is spayed as we think there are enough Staffys already looking for homes. We don't need to create more!

Now, when it comes to "breed standards" etc I am a total newbie. What is wrong with breeding certain colours? Does it make the dog prone to illness or something? Is it bad for the dog? Rascal's mum is black and white, her dad is tan. Her grandmother was brindle, grandfather black and white. .

The breed standard is just the proposed look of the dog breed in question. There is nothing wrong health wise with liver/black&tan dogs. However i assume that a black nose is preferred in staffords so they don't imitate apbt. Black&tan is unwanted because its a dominant pattern and would take over all other colours. (Like rottweilers) All white dogs in general are more prone to sensitive skin and allergies (and also deafness). Blue dogs that were bred from two blue parents can be more prone to allergies and skin conditions. Generally the other colours don't suffer from the same problems.

shakespearesdog wrote:

Now, when it comes to "breed standards" etc I am a total newbie. What is wrong with breeding certain colours? Does it make the dog prone to illness or something? Is it bad for the dog? Rascal's mum is black and white, her dad is tan. Her grandmother was brindle, grandfather black and white. .

The breed standard is just the proposed look of the dog breed in question. There is nothing wrong health wise with liver/black&tan dogs. However i assume that a black nose is preferred in staffords so they don't imitate apbt. Black&tan is unwanted because its a dominant pattern and would take over all other colours. (Like rottweilers) All white dogs in general are more prone to sensitive skin and allergies (and also deafness). Blue dogs that were bred from two blue parents can be more prone to allergies and skin conditions. Generally the other colours don't suffer from the same problems.

The black nose is probably a health thing. Dogs with red or blue noses are dilutes and can often have skin allergies/sensitivities. Especially when you breed two dilute parents for the purpose of having dilute pups. As for deafness in white dogs, that is only if there is no color whatsoever near the ears (often accompanied by a pink nose). That is probably why the AmStaff standard says that no dog can be more than 80% white.

the main reason why liver and black and tan are not allowin the staffordshire bull terrier stanard is becasue the staffy clubs dont think they are pure breeds.

rascal-girl wrote:Oh, and Rascal is spayed as we think there are enough Staffys already looking for homes. We don't need to create more!

i love the black and tans i personally havent got kaiser neutered not because i want to breed him just because the other half wont let me have them chopped off i dont think it matters what colour a staffy is there all beautiful

it doesn't matter what colour your dog is only time it matters if you go showing

One of Rascal's littermates is deaf. We all thought he was so cute being pure white Not a speck of colour on him anywhere. Thanks for the information guys. I guess if there are no guidelines re which colours not to mix, we may end up with staffys all being one colour? There is a lot of brown/tan mixed in with Rascal's black areas. None of her black is pure black. I LOVE the Blue staffy colour. Thanks everyone for the info

i like the colour....

and he looks like lovely...... dont think iv ever seen one like it apart from on the net....

Steve wrote:it doesn't matter what colour your dog is only time it matters if you go showing

Or if you are going to breed. I don't think dogs outside of the standard should be bred. I guess that could be just me, though.

they always going be people breeding from out of standard and i dont think anything will stop that. just the life we live in

Of course that's true, but it doesn't make it right!

no 1 is saying it right

Its undesirable as steve says its not pure bred those colours dont excist in the breed there has to have been a influence of an outcross in the mix .
That only matters for breeding and showing though doesnt mean there is anything wrong with the dogs physically or mentally

Very true Gem!

Well, apparently Rascal's dad is not tan....he's red and white. Not sure when pale brown became "red" but there you go! Obviously some "breed speak" I'm ignorant of!!! hehe I am told that Rascal's mother comes from a line in WA (owners used to live there).
On the breeding out of standard issue, I guess if there is too much breeding "out of standard" we could end up breeding out the characteristics that make a Staffy a Staffy? Maybe the thinking is the more you dilute a mixture, the less like the original it becomes......

There's a difference between brown & red in dogs' colours. Brown is generally a deep brown (ie like a chocolate labrador or doberman) whereas red can be any colour between a deep red (similar to Dempsey or even deeper) to a pale reddish fawn, with or without white.

[quote="rascal-girl"]Well, apparently Rascal's dad is not tan....he's red and white. Not sure when pale brown became "red" but there you go! Obviously some "breed speak" I'm ignorant of!!! hehe I am told that Rascal's mother comes from a line in WA (owners used to live there).
On the breeding out of standard issue, I guess if there is too much breeding "out of standard" we could end up breeding out the characteristics that make a Staffy a Staffy? Maybe the thinking is the more you dilute a mixture, the less like the original it becomes......[/quote]



Expertly put

Georgeous looking dog but a stud!!!! I wouldnt breed any animal all of mine are done i think it should be left to the experts too many unwanted staffs out there needing homes.

Michelle

rascal-girl wrote:Well, apparently Rascal's dad is not tan....he's red and white.

My Saxon is red and white! As Caryll says, red is a different color from brown or tan.

Ahh, thanks Caryll and CatStina Rascal's dad is a fawny colour with white. So there you go, I learned something! And thank you Gem for the lovely compliment

Right, just had a look at Saxon, and that's pretty much the colour of Rascal's dad.... When I look at Saxon I just see his gorgeous smile never noticed his colour before!!!!

rascal is