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Post by jola139 on Mon Mar 09 2015, 12:27

Hi again. We were doing really well on raw diet. Last week we started with lamb, all was fine, poos still firm. Yesterday weve added a bit of yougurt to his beef and chicken supper. It was open fir 3 days and this morning he has really bad poo. Could it be because of the yogurt?
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Post by Rachel33 on Mon Mar 09 2015, 13:09

What yoghurt did you use? And what was the reasoning for it? Dogs are lactose intolerant and get enough calcium from bone, so they don't need any added dairy. I have given goats milk to pups but have never added anything like that to Bug's food as an adult.
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Post by jola139 on Mon Mar 09 2015, 13:12

It has been recommened even on this forum , it was natural yogurt. Wont do it again.
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Post by Rachel33 on Mon Mar 09 2015, 16:55

Ah okay, perhaps it was just too hard on his tummy after the recent upset? You could try again in a few weeks if it's something you would like to add Smile
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Post by jola139 on Mon Mar 09 2015, 18:14

Have been told if by my OH for doing it. So dont think will be allowed now
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Post by Rachel33 on Mon Mar 09 2015, 18:47

Why have you been told off/isn't he your dog too? If you think it will be beneficial and it's been recommended by others that raw feed it may well be - I'm by no means an expert, I just thought that lactose disagreed with most dogs tummies is all.
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Post by Dogface on Mon Mar 09 2015, 19:21

Bo has Onken Biopot Natural Yoghurt and it seems to suit him. Only a bit, maybe 30g frozen in a Kong daily plus 60g or so in a bowl every few days. He has mild colitis so I feed him this to boost his gut bacteria, plus a sprinkling of Bionic Biotic on his food.

Thing is, it may not have been the yoghurt that caused the problem. They pick things up and eat them without anybody seeing.
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Post by Guest on Mon Mar 09 2015, 20:29

I think I'd be inclined to make sure he's back to normal, then give him a bit again, similar quantity to this time, to see if you get the same reaction. It could indeed be something completely different.

I don't give mine dairy, as Rachel says they shouldn't need the calcium if you're giving enough bone. If you feel there's a need for a probiotic, I'd go for a proper one rather than using yoghurt.

I know when I started out with raw I felt I needed to supplement here and there, spent hours liquidizing fruit and veg, etc. Then read up more, talked to my vet friend who's very pro raw, and discovered half of it wasn't needed. Mine really mostly get just meat, with eggs when we have too many (with 12 layers at the moment that's increasingly often!), and seaweed, plus bits of leftover potatoes/pasta and veg if there is any.

In other words, don't panic about blips and don't feel you need to add loads of bits and pieces. With time you'll start to feel what's right for him and then you'll be able to relax!

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Post by jola139 on Tue Mar 10 2015, 06:35

Hi again, could be because of red meat? Maybe Im doing something wrong? Ive started adding lamb, so his meal looks like that:
- 540g a day - about 8% diced chicken, 2 chicken wings, 10% lamb and the rest is beef. He was fine on chicken and beef.
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Post by Guest on Tue Mar 10 2015, 18:06

Again, I'd cut out the possible cause - in this case the lamb - go back to what you're sure of and let him settle, then add lamb again and see if you get the same result.

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Post by Rachel33 on Tue Mar 10 2015, 21:23

Brilliant advice from Liz Smile
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Post by jola139 on Wed Mar 11 2015, 06:23

Thank you, yogurt is gone and we back to normal. She said!!!! But my OH told me that he noticed that Debo is licking his paws a lot, he said it started about week ago ( from my calculation when we added beef in to the diet). Can dogs be allergic to beef?
And also he was sick twice this morning, first with little pieces of bones ( I think) and second just foam with little blood spots. My OH said Debo had chicken wings yesterday and chocked on one.
Maybe raw is not for him??
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Post by Dogface on Thu Mar 12 2015, 16:17

When the stomach empties itself of food hard chunks like bone and wood can remain and cause irritation which in turn can cause sickness. It sounds like some sharp pieces of bone caused him to be sick and have scratched his stomach lining or, more likely, his throat on the way up.

Bo used to sick up sticks in this way until I stopped him from chewing them. Once he was sick three times one morning and each was a pile of nothing but pieces of stick, some of them quite sharp. The same happens with Nylabones. He bites chunks off them and the plastic pieces can be really sharp they never make it past his stomach. Now he just gets antler bars, to the detriment of my wallet.
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Post by Rachel33 on Thu Mar 12 2015, 22:53

They can be allergic to different proteins yes, I would go with keeping a diary of the food that you are offering and any symptoms on that day. Hopefully then you can trace what is upsetting him. Sometimes there's a wobbly start with raw, but it really is great for them. Though diet is never a one size fits all.
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Post by jola139 on Fri Mar 13 2015, 06:31

No more diary in his diet and hes back to normal. Now just adding more chicken to his meal and its alot better. Mybe his body cant deal with so much red meat in one meal.
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Post by Rachel33 on Fri Mar 13 2015, 09:02

Possibly! Bug can't really tolerate lamb, and a friend's terrier is allergic to chicken! A diary would help though, to monitor Smile
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Post by Bane on Mon Mar 16 2015, 21:02

Some dogs just don't get on with some meats. Beef is one of the ones often left until last to introduce because of the richness of it. Maybe you could try pork, fish and tripe first? And then start adding a little of the beef or lamb.

And yogurt can cause an upset tummy if given too much when they aren't used to it Smile It takes a little while to get into the raw diet, but once you get to know what works and doesn't it's easy. We had quite a few bumpy patches with sickness and upset tummies but now he can eat through most things!
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