Unfortunate. Help?

Unfortunately the owners didn't feel confident enough for me to have the puppy. Due to the area et cetera .

Could you guys/girls help me find a promising litter please? Preferably pied/blue/black?

so sorry it fell through for you, at least you know they were responsible breeders. Hopefully someone will be along to help you soon.

They actually were really responsible. It pains me that I couldn't have one, I got carried away and was even thinking of names. But, at least I know they're only going to go to the best homes .

why wont they give you one?

where do you live?

I live in Boothtown, Halifax. Which is well known in my area for being full of chavs and aggressive dogs. (I am being honest about it).

Plus I don't think many responsible breeders like the fact that I am social phobic .

Why would you have to tell a breeder about social phobia though?

Nothing to do with having a dog either, many people get a dog because of social phobia.

No need to tell them about the phobia, I had huge issues with speaking to people and going out, etc., and Loki has helped me loads with it, so that shouldn't be an issue. About the area, that is a shame, but they do want the best for their puppies. Hopefully you'll find a good, responsible breeder who will give you that chance

The way I saw it is...I have to tell them because of my area. Obviously because of the dominance/aggressive dogs in the area...I'd have to be sociable in order to ask the person if it's aggressive which I find hard to do

To be honest, I am thinking of finding some owners of bitches, and paying for stud fees? And getting pick of the litter?

Batman Attacks wrote:The way I saw it is...I have to tell them because of my area. Obviously because of the dominance/aggressive dogs in the area...I'd have to be sociable in order to ask the person if it's aggressive which I find hard to do

To be honest, I am thinking of finding some owners of bitches, and paying for stud fees? And getting pick of the litter?

No. Dogs must be health tested and appropriate for breeding, not just any female dog. That's what Steve/Dave etc was going though on the last thread.

Def have never experienced having to tell personal issues to a breeder tbh, as long as the home is suitable and you have money they will sell.

I was in the worst state I've ever been in my life before I got Logan, which was the main reason I got him but I certainly didn't have to tell a dog breeder that. Also dominance and aggression are two very different things, and if you are worried about either it's best avoid those situations anyway.

that not how it works batman, fill out your profile or tell us your name


how far can you travel

Matt. I mean some dogs in my area will outright attack another dog like straight away. And others attack only if the dog comes close to them and gets within their space. I know one man who has a rottweiler....fully grown...and it still tries to attack people including children. (I don't know him personally but you get me).

I am not going to lie, I get depressive looking at dogs. I imagine having my own and spoiling him/her and I know how hard it is to get a reliable/good dealer to give me one due to my area et cetera .

I know, I mean finding a health tested KC registered one...and paying for another KC registered stud...and getting pick of litter...they get to keep the rest?

My real name is...don't take the mick....Jordan Boocock xD.

I would literally travel as far as is needed, but obviously I'd prefer them to be in West Yorkshire but it isn't a necessity .

Batman Attacks wrote:The way I saw it is...I have to tell them because of my area. Obviously because of the dominance/aggressive dogs in the area...I'd have to be sociable in order to ask the person if it's aggressive which I find hard to do

To be honest, I am thinking of finding some owners of bitches, and paying for stud fees? And getting pick of the litter?

You'd find it hard, but because you have to, you will, and you'll feel better for it. Everyone wants to talk to you when you have a cute little puppy so you end up talking with people, and once that initial fear/anxiety is over, you feel really proud of yourself and happy for it. I can't tell you how much Loki's helped me with speaking to strangers, and I used to be really bad. I was so bad I stopped going to a counsellor because I couldn't face speaking to him. So I wouldn't mention that to breeders, there's no need . As for the bad area, hopefully you'd meet good ones too. Puppy classes, etc.

http://www.champdogs.co.uk/litter/28369

these pup will be 2%

http://www.champdogs.co.uk/litter/27776

good looking black 7%

Steve I will contact the first ones right now .

I know, it's one reason I desire one. I know that socialization with other dogs is necessary. Which obviously means I'd need to socialize with their owner, which would help me. And I'd have time to do meaningful activities, like taking him/her on jogs and things like that .

I am also thinking of rehoming two special staffies. One is a full staffy bitch who is deaf, and therefore depends on the male staffy cross and is otherwise nervous when he isn't around. How special is that?

Batman Attacks wrote:I am also thinking of rehoming two special staffies. One is a full staffy bitch who is deaf, and therefore depends on the male staffy cross and is otherwise nervous when he isn't around. How special is that?

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Yeah. Well I saw an advert that if he doesn't get them homed by Friday he is having to take them to the kennel and I'd feel horrible for that

(Still on about the puppy). But still unsure about taking them two on as I will have to ask my Dad

ok i'm confused you taking on 2 dogs i thought you wanted to buy a nice dog

I am thinking about taking them on. I am not sure yet. Not 100% sure my Dad would allow so many dogs xD

http://www.champdogs.co.uk/litter/28473

Thoughts on that litter? The Mother and Father look amazing

the pups will be 11%

A deaf dog requires extra training, and depending on how well-behaved or badly-behaved they are, they'd be difficult. Can you afford to insure, feed, buy things for two dogs, and can you dedicate the time to walking them, playing with them, training them and giving them affection? If so then fair enough, but you have to be 100% sure of what you're taking on with a deaf dog and another dog.

How bad is that? . Does COI make it insanely bad?

And he assures me they're perfectly well-behaved. I can afford to feed them et cetera. I even inquired about what he feeds them et cetera

Perfectly behaved or not, it's a huge responsibility. Deaf dogs are not easy to mainain. They require a different kind of training which can be tough on the dog and the owner. If you get two rescues and a puppy, you'll have your work cut out for you!

I actually want my work cut out for me. I want something to do that can help me with my phobia. And working on all of them would help

Batman Attacks wrote:To be honest, I am thinking of finding some owners of bitches, and paying for stud fees? And getting pick of the litter?

No! Do you want to be labelled a byb? A Back Yard Breeder? Because that's what you (and the bitch's owner) will be. Totally irresponsible.

Batman Attacks wrote:I am also thinking of rehoming two special staffies. One is a full staffy bitch who is deaf, and therefore depends on the male staffy cross and is otherwise nervous when he isn't around. How special is that?

Again, no! You don't have anywhere near enough experience or knowledge to be able to cope with training a deaf dog and a hearing dog.

I'm sorry to be so blunt, but you wouldn't be able to cope.

I just don't understand how I am going to get a puppy.

If they haven't got a high CBI, then the owners are worried about my area...if they're not worried about my area there is something else...

No way. The last thing you want is to have to rehome a dog because you wanted so much responsibility without knowing how stressful it can be. Start off with one and keep it at one until you're 100% certain you can cope with another. Don't bite off more than you can chew.

Batman Attacks wrote:I just don't understand how I am going to get a puppy.

If they haven't got a high CBI, then the owners are worried about my area...if they're not worried about my area there is something else...

Just keep looking & enquiring! Maybe ask for your name to go on a breeder's waiting list - that'll show that you're genuine & prepared to wait for the right dog.

Rushing in to get the first dog that you see will end in tears!

There is also tonnes of them in rescue centres everywhere, they'll be no less of a Stafford and you won't have to worry about COI's or breeders because you won't have them.

Batman Attacks wrote:I just don't understand how I am going to get a puppy.

If they haven't got a high CBI, then the owners are worried about my area...if they're not worried about my area there is something else...

Be patient, you've waited this long, you might as well wait a bit longer and ensure that you've done everything right. That said, if you keep looking and are still finding it difficult, you should consider going to a rescue centre, there are loads of Staffs and Staff crosses of all ages needing a loving home there.

I really wanted one that I could say...I've had that dog since it was eight weeks old..I've worked a lot to get him where he is...and he's helped me in return though

You don't have to get a KC reg top bloodline dog to have a pup. The was a full litter of Staffies in a rescue centre beside me a month or so back. They were gorgeous.

Plenty of litters that go in and out rescues, but you would need to contact them first, also depending of your age etc, I personally would say you need dad on board.

Batman Attacks wrote:I really wanted one that I could say...I've had that dog since it was eight weeks old..I've worked a lot to get him where he is...and he's helped me in return though

That's the reason I wanted a puppy too, because I'd never had one before and wanted it to be a clean slate, so to speak. But see if you can find a young dog if you want a young one. Just because you don't get an 8-week old puppy doesn't mean you won't work hard with them, all dogs need training and if you want to work hard, get the dog into agility or obedience training, that requires loads of work. And that way the dog would be helping you, and you'd be helping the dog by giving it a loving home away from the rescue centre.

Batman Attacks wrote:I really wanted one that I could say...I've had that dog since it was eight weeks old..I've worked a lot to get him where he is...and he's helped me in return though

Rescue centres are inundated with staffords & stafford crosses, and they range from puppies to oldies.

If you go to a centre and introduce yourself they'll tell you what your chances are.

We got Rocky from a rescue centre when he was about a year old. He had been kept in a crate in a garden outhouse for a year with no socialisation or training. Two years on we are still getting there with him and making progress every day. We are very proud of how well he has done so far.

It is possible to get a slightly older dog and go through all the training yourself, maybe have a look at the rescue centres too before making any rash decisions.

Here's the thing. Even if I got one from a rescue centre...I'd still want a pedigree puppy .

Also, I just checked the websites of my local ones. And apparently according to their websites they have no staffies, just rottweilers and dogs like that

Why would you want a pedigree puppy, plan on showing it? Anyway, earlier you were talking about rescuing two dogs. It sounds like you need to sit and have a good think on what you want. Keep on searching for the perfect puppy from a responsible breeder if it's what you want, but it's always an option to have a rescue.

Batman Attacks wrote:Here's the thing. Even if I got one from a rescue centre...I'd still want a pedigree puppy .

Also, I just checked the websites of my local ones. And apparently according to their websites they have no staffies, just rottweilers and dogs like that

Why the fixation on a pedigree pup if you went to a rescue , a staff x can give you just as much love and payback as a staff. IF you did find a staff pup then it would be quite rare that the Kennel has the papers and then it would be even rarer that they would pass over the papers to you , because that is running the chance of someone just wanting to make some money off the dog , and then of course as they should be as long as they are old enough they would be neutered.
The whole point of pushing you to buy from a good breeder is to NOT fund the BYB's . If you are rescuing you are doing the Breed a massive favour and pedigree doesn't matter

Batman Attacks wrote:Here's the thing. Even if I got one from a rescue centre...I'd still want a pedigree puppy .

Why?

Batman Attacks wrote:Also, I just checked the websites of my local ones. And apparently according to their websites they have no staffies, just rottweilers and dogs like that

But they're changing all the time, and 99% of all rescue centres have a lot of stafford & stafford crosses going through their books all the time. Maybe they don't have one now, but they will!

To be honest, it seems to me that you are so desperate to get a puppy that you don't really want to listen to the good advice you've been given - that, of course, is entirely up to you. But I just wonder why you asked, if you're not prepared to take the advice?

I don't plan on taking it to shows but my friend says I should get a pedigree as apparently you can trace their ancestry back for so long? And I like the idea of being able to say "His parents was called...". I know it sounds sad but .

I'd love an older rescue and a puppy to be honest. I'd feel good for taking a dog away from being in a rescue centre

I am willing to take the advice, for example I'm not jumping at a litter with a high COI like you guys have said et cetera. It's just...I really want the puppy....but now...I want to take a dog away from a centre too :'(.

Like you guys/girls may not believe it but I have a soft heart. I easily get swayed to causes. If I could I'd rehome practically ten dogs

I really wouldn't have two straight away, especially as you're not very experienced with dogs/pups yet. Start off with one, train it & love it and then think about having another one about 18 months later - it really does work out better that way!

Okay. I just feel like I have to rush because in all honesty...I feel like I pester you guys everytime I get carried away when I find a litter

Batman Attacks wrote:I don't plan on taking it to shows but my friend says I should get a pedigree as apparently you can trace their ancestry back for so long? And I like the idea of being able to say "His parents was called...". I know it sounds sad but .

I'd love an older rescue and a puppy to be honest. I'd feel good for taking a dog away from being in a rescue centre

I am willing to take the advice, for example I'm not jumping at a litter with a high COI like you guys have said et cetera. It's just...I really want the puppy....but now...I want to take a dog away from a centre too :'(.

Like you guys/girls may not believe it but I have a soft heart. I easily get swayed to causes. If I could I'd rehome practically ten dogs

It certainly comes across that way anyway. Best to take your time and do what's right for you and your family with your new dog.

Pedigree's aren't very important unless you plan to breed or show. I guess they can be interesting but not so important.

Batman Attacks wrote:Okay. I just feel like I have to rush because in all honesty...I feel like I pester you guys everytime I get carried away when I find a litter

If it helps you to make the right choice, nobody minds how often you ask questions or put links up for litters!

We'd all rehome ten dogs if we could because we love dogs, but you have to make sure not to let that cloud your judgment. There are people who take in loads of dogs because they want to give them a good home, but before you know it they have 20 dogs and they're all taken off them because they can't cope. Start off with one, one can keep you busy as much as you need, and then you'll know you won't be getting ahead of yourself

Here's the thing Matt. I think that...once I got attached to her. I'd want her to have one litter? And that would be purely one she was getting older. Just so that if she passed away...I'd have a puppy to carry on her legacy . All the other pups I'd probably be picky as Hell where they went or I'd give them to trusted people on here like you just because I'd know you'd treat them well (I know you wouldn't take one because of your dog) . But do you get where I am coming from?

Also, I am going to hold you to that Caryll

Batman Attacks wrote:Here's the thing Matt. I think that...once I got attached to her. I'd want her to have one litter? And that would be purely one she was getting older. Just so that if she passed away...I'd have a puppy to carry on her legacy . All the other pups I'd probably be picky as Hell where they went or I'd give them to trusted people on here like you just because I'd know you'd treat them well (I know you wouldn't take one because of your dog) . But do you get where I am coming from?

Also, I am going to hold you to that Caryll

That's a terrible reason to breed. Breeding a dog for ONE puppy is a bad, bad idea, because you can't be completely sure where they'd end up. Plus there are already loads of unwanted puppies and dogs out there, you'd just be adding to the problem. It doesn't matter about carrying on a legacy. I'm sorry, but it's selfish, and although you obviously want and love dogs, you have to control your own feelings when they're not going to better the well-being of the breed.

Batman Attacks wrote:Here's the thing Matt. I think that...once I got attached to her. I'd want her to have one litter? And that would be purely one she was getting older. Just so that if she passed away...I'd have a puppy to carry on her legacy .

Sorry to be blunt but that's the worst thing you could possibly do to her.