My 2 week old "Cookie"

I cant wait to bring this little lady home.

She was only 4 days old when this pic was taken.

Aww, so cute, I bet your counting the days

I cant wait!

She's beautiful.

Is she KC registered? I only ask because she is a red merle, and the other pup in the pic looks to be a blue merle.

Gorgeous

there some health problem with merles dogs are you sure u want to risk it?

She has a very unusual colour, lovely looking though all the same.

Caryll wrote:She's beautiful.

Is she KC registered? I only ask because she is a red merle, and the other pup in the pic looks to be a blue merle.

She does look like a merle i didn,t think the KC would register Merle staffords do you know if they have changed that?

oh my shes gorgeous bet u cant wait, I do love the merles

crystel wrote:

Caryll wrote:She's beautiful.

Is she KC registered? I only ask because she is a red merle, and the other pup in the pic looks to be a blue merle.

She does look like a merle i didn,t think the KC would register Merle staffords do you know if they have changed that?

They won't. The breeder would have had to lie on the papers by saying she was red or red & white.

Cute, but as said just be careful about the breeder.

Cute pup, but its not 100% pure Stafford. The merle gene is not in staffords, and a merle Stafford can only be produced if alien blood has been introduce.

Caryll wrote:

crystel wrote:

Caryll wrote:She's beautiful.

Is she KC registered? I only ask because she is a red merle, and the other pup in the pic looks to be a blue merle.

She does look like a merle i didn,t think the KC would register Merle staffords do you know if they have changed that?

They won't. The breeder would have had to lie on the papers by saying she was red or red & white.

thats what i thought in fact i didn,t think the merle gene was even in staffords and the quote under has said the same, i have seen some pics of blue merle i wonder what they are crossing with them.

Vet has told me she is not merle, he has given her colour as fawn, brindle and white. The pics make her appear alot mire red than she is, she is the colour of a cookie biscuit.

A vet knows nothing about colour genetics unless train in this field.

The pups a merle end of.

The pups a Merle. End of. Excuse me but I am not a little child that can be spoken down too.
I find your comment patronising and offensive.

What ever colour she is I think shes gorgeous

Thanks Staffiexxx

I never wrote it to refer to you as such either.

Im sorry but that pup is definitely a merle, there are no other colours that get that spotted on a patch that isnt white. The breeder if they have KC reg these pups has caused an offense as they have lied about them to the KC

This does not mean that the pup will be a bad dog, it just means there is no way you will be allowed to register it, show it, breed it or honestly claim it is 100% pure stafford, because it just isn't.

Another red or fawn merle.



Also you must prepare for the possibility it will have skin problems.

Please don't feel like we are attacking you and your puppy, we are just against bad breeders and a good breeder would not breed a dog if there was any merle in it, and definitively would never sell them as KC Reg as they will know it is not allowed. We just don't want you being caught out.

Equi does have a point.
But that doesnt stray away from the fact its astunning baby none the less

The pup is definitely merle, so she is definitely a cross. Just means you can't show her and should not breed her, doesn't make her any less of a great pet!

Jackson&Cookie wrote:Vet has told me she is not merle, he has given her colour as fawn, brindle and white. The pics make her appear alot mire red than she is, she is the colour of a cookie biscuit.

Your vet is wrong. Your pup is a red merle and the other pup pictured looks like a blue merle. There's no doubt about that, I'm afraid.

Equi wrote:Please don't feel like we are attacking you and your puppy, we are just against bad breeders and a good breeder would not breed a dog if there was any merle in it, and definitively would never sell them as KC Reg as they will know it is not allowed. We just don't want you being caught out.

We would be failing in our duty if we did not point out that the pup is a merle. There is no point us lying and saying she isn't. Unfortunately your breeder is either lying or doesn't know what a merle is.

Equi wrote:
Also you must prepare for the possibility it will have skin problems.

Skin problems are the least of a merle's possible health defects. They can also be blind and deaf.

Jackson&Cookie wrote:The pups a Merle. End of. Excuse me but I am not a little child that can be spoken down too.
I find your comment patronising and offensive.

Denise wrote:I never wrote it to refer to you as such either.

Hello Jackson , I just thought you should know but Denise is a very experienced Breeder of very good reputation and , well to put it very bluntly , she knows what she is talking about , along with Caryll who has a wealth of experience with Staffys and also from a showing point of view.

Nobody is trying to criticise , patronise or offend, but it is fact that Vets are good at keeping animals healthy (or at least we hope) , they are generally not experts on staffys or markings , genetics etc so people are only trying to offer a little advice. You say the pups are 2 weeks old and people on here know that having the merle gene can create big problems with the dogs health in the long term , so it is only responsible to warn you.

That aside , the pup looks lovely and if you go into it knowing the risks then you go informed and prepared and we all wish you the best with your puppy

I'm sure you will be happy with the pup either way considering you are not planning to breed from her or show her. However I would be wary of the breeder and would definately repute paying the same amount as you would another KC registered staff of a colour outlined in the standard. Please don't take people's comments as an attack on you, you weren't to know. However chance is the breeder is trying to make a quick buck by selling the pups as a rare colour or something, its best you know so you can make an informed decision.

The pups colouring does have the wow factor, and to the normal person who does not know what colours an SBT can come in their just going to think it must be a rare colour.
This pups breeders could be innocent but some where along this pups blood line ( pedigree) a merle breed was mated to a stafford and the resulting pups sold with hung papers.
Its genetically impossible for two pure breed staffords to produce merle pups unless as i said another breed of dog being merle or carrying the merle gene was added.

We're trying to inform you of this fact so the so called breeder of the pup cant WOW you with bull *.
But saying that they may have no knowledge of the foreign blood added, and had bought the pups parents on the understanding they were full staffords.

No one saying dont buy this pup, we just want to arm you with all the facts if you decide to question the breeder about the litters colouring. As i bet they have pumped up the price as its wearing a different colour coat to a regular stafford

Denise wrote: As i bet they have pumped up the price as its wearing a different colour coat to a regular stafford

The pup should actually cost less than other registered staffords because it cannot be legally registered with the English Kennel Club, making it an unregistered pup. Same with the blue merle pup in one of your pictures as well..

merle or no merle still gorgeous it doesn't matter what colour the pup is, she actually looks like a cookie so cute! My dog has skin problems and he's not a merle so any dog can have them and there's treatment and ways round it

Loz&Dan wrote:merle or no merle still gorgeous it doesn't matter what colour the pup is, she actually looks like a cookie so cute! My dog has skin problems and he's not a merle so any dog can have them and there's treatment and ways round it

Sure any dog can have skin problems, but merles are more likely to, just like blues and other dilutes. Merles are also more likely to have eye and ear problems than dogs of other colors.

Loz&Dan wrote:merle or no merle still gorgeous it doesn't matter what colour the pup is, she actually looks like a cookie so cute! My dog has skin problems and he's not a merle so any dog can have them and there's treatment and ways round it

There is no treatment for the blindness & deafness.....
https://staffy-bull-terrier.niceboard.com/t20226-merle-colour-patterning-in-the-staffordshire-bull-terrier#288277

She is lovely, but theres a topic/info about merle, you should take alook. poor little ones could have some real health problems. Are you prepared for it. Im sure she'll have a loving home, but please be prepared. xx

sorry for appearing "thick" but what does merle mean please ?

eileenhoops wrote:sorry for appearing "thick" but what does merle mean please ?

You're not thick at all! It's actually a coat pattern rather than a specific colour, although it is colour related. Have a look at this....
https://staffy-bull-terrier.niceboard.com/t20226-merle-colour-patterning-in-the-staffordshire-bull-terrier

Loz&Dan wrote:merle or no merle still gorgeous it doesn't matter what colour the pup is, she actually looks like a cookie so cute! My dog has skin problems and he's not a merle so any dog can have them and there's treatment and ways round it

Sorry Loz, but it just isnt that simple .. merle coats are not good for our breed, and the more there are, the more there will be