blue staffy r.e earlier post

by staffybwoii Fri Apr 20 2012, 12:57

regarding my earlier post.

Pedigree

Parents PRIMESTAFF BLUE DESTINY
PLATINUM SECRET

Grand Parents CRASHKON WHAT A CRACKER
SHEER MIDNIGHT BLACK STAR
BLUE GENISIS
CASSIES BLACK ANGEL

Great Grand Parents CRASHKON JACKO BLUE
CRASHKON BLACK PENNY
CH BLISTAFF MAD O'ROUKE
KENUE MODESTY BLAZE
SPARSTAFF VOODOO CHILE
FIZ SWEET FIZ
SPARSTAFF VOODOO CHILE
FRIARSTAFF CASSIES PIPPA

Great Great Grand Parents CH BLISTAFF MAD O'ROUKE
CRASHKON TABOO
CH LEATHAL WEAPON OF CRASHKON
CRASHKON SUMMER BREEZE
INVISIBLE HALO
HER INDOORS
WYREFARE BILLY RUFFIAN
WYREFARE BITS AND PIECES
CH VANORIC VOODOO
SPARSTAFF BLEEPIN ALICE
BOWTMANS DIRTY HARRY
CHESTAFF MAGICAL DANCER
CH VANORIC VOODOO
SPARSTAFF BLEEPIN ALICE
VALGO PEACEMAKER
COCCO GABANNA OF FRIARSTAFF

this is a list of the dads pedigree as some people were asking about how good the pedigree was his name the blue boss.. i understand ther something like 20 plus champiions. the mum im not to sure as yet becaue this dog was jus stud, but they are proven breeders and insisting blue on blue is ok. im confused as some of you disagree advice please guys

by Guest Fri Apr 20 2012, 13:19

The reason blue on blue is not advised is that the blue can become too light and the dog will get skin problems and eye/ear problems.

It's better to have a black as one parent so the health of the dog is not compromised.

That long line of blues is the same as inbreeding in effect, eventually there is going to be a bad outcome in some pups.

Its the same with horses, you would never breed two white horses to get another white horse, because it will have very light skin which will make the horse suffer skin problems.

Its just about the health of the dog, its not advised to do

by **Steve** Fri Apr 20 2012, 13:21

i can see some inbred going off in that line... is his paper real if made up?

if it was blue & blue mating i would keep away this forum cant support this type of breding..

by staffybwoii Fri Apr 20 2012, 13:40

mate, the studs from a champdogs website, so basically on your say so im not allowed to post on here because my new pups parents are both blue. pathetic, on here for advise as im not all that sure myself and ive got you so called 'administrator' implying imbred dogs are on the cards, like i said this is what ive been told by the breeder, its not my info its theirs!!!! and the cheek to say its a fake paper check the website out and take it up with them!!!

by **Steve** Fri Apr 20 2012, 13:48

i never said you cant post here.... IMO and alot of people blue and blue mating is wrong also inbreding and close line breding is wrong we have give you our opinion but it look like you have choice to ignored it.

by Guest Fri Apr 20 2012, 13:48

Steve means that we on this site do not encourage inbreeding and do not encourage blue on blue breeding due to the risks to the health of the dog.

I didn't read the other thread cause honestly i don't have much interest in blues or breeding, so i don't know what your argument is?

If you are looking to breed dogs, we advise you not to breed blue on blue. If your pups parents are blue on blue well thats already happened there isn't anything that we can do about it, but we would advise you to not do this yourself and avoid pups in the future that are blue on blue as they may have problems. Its all about breeding healthy happy dogs, not compromising the health of a dog just for colour as that is irresponsible breeding.

by **Steve** Fri Apr 20 2012, 13:51

CH VANORIC VOODOO
SPARSTAFF BLEEPIN ALICE
SPARSTAFF VOODOO CHILE

the list you have posted these dogs are on the list twice & dont care much about what website the dogs are on. i knew with common sense that inbreding and lose ling breding is wrong, i have posted enough information about blue with blue mating...

by staffybwoii Fri Apr 20 2012, 13:56

im not breeding! im looking to buy a blue staffy as i love the look of them and always wanted one and the times come to buy one. basically a breeder who i MIGHT buy a dog from has a female in pup the dad is also blue, the blue boss the one above, thats how this started. im taking the advice yo gys are giving me, mot dogs ive looked at are bred blue on blue so im confused more than ever. dont honestly fink there close line bred as the are experinced breeders. who knows. thanks anyway

by staffybwoii Fri Apr 20 2012, 13:59

ah okay i didnt notice that! im not to sure on the names etc. like i said i love the dog and im looking to buy the perfect blue boy for my family not interested in anythink else

by **Gazagem** Fri Apr 20 2012, 13:59

I have two lovely blues and one of them comes from the blue boss line and silver zella although he is in bred I have no health issues but I wouldn't have paid the money hi original owners asked for ( he is a private rescue) as long as both parents are healthy and have had all the relivent checks it is a choice you make personally
I did a breed check for both my blues and the average in breeding for a staff no matter what colour is 6% buster came out as 22% which is very bad but I have him now and wouldn't change him and Skye came out at just 3% so very good it does pay to do research which I did when we got skye as a 12 week old pup

by **Steve** Fri Apr 20 2012, 14:01

Great Grand Parents CRASHKON JACKO BLUE
CRASHKON BLACK PENNY
CH BLISTAFF MAD O'ROUKE
KENUE MODESTY BLAZE
SPARSTAFF VOODOO CHILE
FIZ SWEET FIZ
SPARSTAFF VOODOO CHILE
FRIARSTAFF CASSIES PIPPA

Great Great Grand Parents CH BLISTAFF MAD O'ROUKE
CRASHKON TABOO
CH LEATHAL WEAPON OF CRASHKON
CRASHKON SUMMER BREEZE
INVISIBLE HALO
HER INDOORS
WYREFARE BILLY RUFFIAN
WYREFARE BITS AND PIECES
CH VANORIC VOODOO
SPARSTAFF BLEEPIN ALICE
BOWTMANS DIRTY HARRY
CHESTAFF MAGICAL DANCER
CH VANORIC VOODOO
SPARSTAFF BLEEPIN ALICE
VALGO PEACEMAKER
COCCO GABANNA OF FRIARSTAFF

that inbreding or close lingbreding

by **Steve** Fri Apr 20 2012, 14:10

Gazagem wrote:I have two lovely blues and one of them comes from the blue boss line and silver zella although he is in bred I have no health issues but I wouldn't have paid the money hi original owners asked for ( he is a private rescue) as long as both parents are healthy and have had all the relivent checks it is a choice you make personally
I did a breed check for both my blues and the average in breeding for a staff no matter what colour is 6% buster came out as 22% which is very bad but I have him now and wouldn't change him and Skye came out at just 3% so very good it does pay to do research which I did when we got skye as a 12 week old pup

you could have to healthy blue parents if you mate them together and the pups could be all unhealthy lifetime of skin problem without any cure for it....

by **Steve** Fri Apr 20 2012, 14:19

Blue Coat Colour and Inherited Conditions
In some breeds, colour varieties caused by the d/d genotype are associated with a disease known as "color dilution alopecia", CDA, leading to loss of hair and skin problems.

by **Jackieb** Fri Apr 20 2012, 14:28

This old chestnut again !

The blue debate will always have ppl fir and against blues.

I have a close line bred blue staffy champs in pedigree, both blue parents and tonight I'm choosing another blue staffy !

I love blues ! So shoot me !

:p

On a serious side , I understand the issues surrounding blues, but u can say the same for whites and ANY staffy no matter what bloody colour can have health n skin issues.

To me, and my high interest in blues, thst pedigree the OP posted looks pretty nice! I've never ever heard that close line breeding was wrong.

Anyway, good luck !

by **Steve** Fri Apr 20 2012, 14:38

nothing wrong with blue if they are bred right Rolling Eyes

no one is anti blue on here but there a right way of breding and a wrong way to breding for blue. a good breeder wont bred to blue together & people should stop buying them off bad breeders..

the right way of breding a for a colour blue is 2 black staffy who as a blue parent each, or to make sure you get atleast half litter of blues is black with a blue this is the right way of breeding for colour blue. but there far to many bad blue breeders out there who breed blue with blue so they get a full litter of blue without thinking about the litter health all they are thinking about is money.

by Guest Fri Apr 20 2012, 14:53

We as a forum try to educate people into making informed decitions (sp?) Some people are not aware that there a BYB's out there breeding purely for colour with no other health factors taken into consideration at all. We try not to sound harsh or judemental but just have the breeds welfare at heart. We are certainly not going to outcast people who do not follow are advice as we are a friendly forum who welcome all sorts of people who care for the breed Big Grin

by Guest Fri Apr 20 2012, 15:32

Jackieb wrote:To me, and my high interest in blues, thst pedigree the OP posted looks pretty nice! I've never ever heard that close line breeding was wrong.
Anyway, good luck !

Until fairly recently close line/in breeding was considered acceptable. Not any more. The kennel club have banned the regsitration of pups from close inbreeding (father/daughter, mother/son, brother sister) and are working towards further limitations (ie cousins, grandfather/grandaughter etc). Inbreeding will always bring health problems over a long period of time.

The problem with blues at the moment is that they are fashionable & so there are bybs who breed for colour alone & ignore the possibility of health issues. If you breed a blue to a blue you drastically increase the probability that the pups will have serious skin issues. Fact.

blaze wrote:We as a forum try to educate people into making informed decitions (sp?) Some people are not aware that there a BYB's out there breeding purely for colour with no other health factors taken into consideration at all. We try not to sound harsh or judemental but just have the breeds welfare at heart. We are certainly not going to outcast people who do not follow are advice as we are a friendly forum who welcome all sorts of people who care for the breed

Well said. Big Grin

by staffybwoii Fri Apr 20 2012, 16:05

ok so as my potential new pup is kc its ok by your sandards? or the standards of this forum

by **Steve** Fri Apr 20 2012, 16:22

have you read anything we have wrote..

by **Steve** Fri Apr 20 2012, 16:29

any tom * or harry can get 2 kc dog and breed them and get them registered it doesn't mean the pup are going to be health....

by Guest Fri Apr 20 2012, 17:15

not a staffy, but this is the result of close line and inbreeding because the family members had this deformation and it was a wanted trait.

blue staffy r.e earlier post Highlinegsd

blue staffy r.e earlier post Highlinegsd

Same with blues, inbreeding for a particular trait WILL cause problems eventually.

by Guest Fri Apr 20 2012, 17:20

staffybwoii wrote:ok so as my potential new pup is kc its ok by your sandards? or the standards of this forum

kc doesnt matter a dicky bird.

our point is simply this: a blue pup bred from a long line of BLUE on BLUE parents is likely to develop skin problems. You want to look for a blue pup that has at least one BLACK parent.

It isn't difficult..

by sil vanus Fri Apr 20 2012, 17:46

edit by steve: crap no one here has a problem with blue dog we have a problem with pi-ss poor breding!!

by Guest Fri Apr 20 2012, 17:53

We don't have any problem with blues, and yes all dogs can have skin problems, were just saying that blue and blue parents have a higher risk of skin problems in the pups. They are generally less likely to get problems if one parent is black. Some skin problems don't show up until the dog is older so unfortunately you still may experience skin problems, but i hope not.

by **Steve** Fri Apr 20 2012, 17:53

if i see another person say people on here have problem with blue dogs you will get official warning with your bar knock down we don't have a problem with blue dog at all we are trying to help the bred FFS.

We have show FACTs and people still dont want to listen to what we are saying.

this topic is now lock.....

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