Supposed Purebred staffie with rottweiller markings???

Hi y'all.
My brother bought this puppy from a 'breeder' and told he was a purebred staffie however I have encountered a lot of debate when I have told people this as he clearly seems to have rottweiller markings. Are there any staffie enthusiasts that could provide me with an answer to this. If he is in fact a genuine pure breed black and tan staffie or a crossbreed with a rotty. Your help is greatly appreciated.

NOTE. I am having some trouble uploading a photo, trying to rectify at the moment.

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Yes, you can get pure bred staffs with black & tan markings, but these markings are not accepted by the kennel club, so the dog could not be shown. I believe that this is because at some point in the breed's development a cross was used with these colour patterns, and it still crops up every so often. The cross was probably a hound rather than a rottie.

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Welcome! Caryll is correct! We have a couple members with B&T Staffords. In fact, my Saxon had a B&T litter mate. It is not acceptable in the breed standard, so a B&T Stafford can't be shown and shouldn't be bred from, but they are gorgeous and make great pets just like any other color!

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aycha wrote:Hi y'all.
My brother bought this puppy from a 'breeder' and told he was a purebred staffie .

If he got papers (or his parents have) then he's a pure bred

Black and Tan SBT are becomming quite common.

Hi and welcome from me, Millie and Bella

A lot of the very dark 'black' brindle staffords are infact black & tan underneath the brindle overlay which is why they appear black, the brindle patterning only appears on the tan markings.
Black & tan is rumoured to have come from the machester terrier and is not accepted by the kennel club, possibly because they believed it was a dominate coat colour. Genetically however it isn't, red is dominant over b&t. I'm a big fan of black & tan staffords. The other undesirable colour is liver, which is the same coat colour gene that chocolate labs carry. Big fan of liver too and I do wish the standard would be reviewed to allow them. There are no health problems associated with either colour gene.

there are health problems with liver coats i think caryll know the issues with that colour

No that's the Isabella colour which is a dilution of the liver colour, all dilution colors -can- suffer from skin problems. The liver or chocolate shade itself isn't a dilution.
Isabella is a colour commonly seen in Weimaraner.

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shakespearesdog wrote:No that's the Isabella colour which is a dilution of the liver colour, all dilution colors -can- suffer from skin problems. The liver or chocolate shade itself isn't a dilution.
Isabella is a colour commonly seen in Weimaraner.

Here's an article by a stafford breeder about CDA....

http://www.chiens-de-france.com/site_eleveur/index.php?rub=presentation&page=rubrique_histoire&ID_ELEVEUR=20099&ID_SITE=21360&ID_HISTOIRE=101704&I_ORDRE=19&PK_RUBRIQUE=18643

I've highlighted below the relevant section:

Color Dilution Alopecia
Teri Dickinson, DVM

Alopecia (hair loss) related to dilute coat color is a recognized condition in dogs. The currently accepted medical terminology for this condition is Color Dilution Alopecia (CDA). The condition may affect any dilutely pigmented dog, regardless of coat color. This condition was previously known as Blue Balding Syndrome, Blue Doberman Syndrome, Color Mutant Alopecia, Congenital Alopecia, etc. The term Color Mutant Alopecia arose because dilutes were at one time mutations from the deep pigment occurring in wild canines. Dilutes are now a regularly occurring form of pigmentation in many breeds and have been for hundreds of years. The term mutation is therefore not applicable to dilute individuals. References to Doberman Pinschers or blue hair coats arose because the condition is common in blue individuals of this breed, but it is not limited to either blue dogs or Dobermans. The term congenital means present at birth, but CDA affected dogs are born with normal hair coats.

Coat colors may include black, red, red-fawn, liver or variations thereof.

If it's saying black as well then that article makes no sense because black is not a dilution and neither is sable (dominant) red. They're the dominant, base coat colours along with agouti. That makes no sense to me, to say that CDA affects dilute coat colours but then to include non dilute colours-unless they mean that the gene that causes CDA is carried with the same gene for dilute coats, therefore a dog of any colour (except white) can be affected as any dog can carry the gene for dilute without having a dilute coat themselves. Or they mean a dog with a liver nose?
It very odd-Weimeraners-as i've said before are ALL dilutes but don't suffer from it.
In dogs unbanded dominant black is the most dominant allele-colour they so I don't see how a gene affecting dilutes would affect it?
What I meant about Liver by the way was that its not a dominant or recessive gene, it IS a dilute. I was having a complete brain fart and thinking of horses.

You're right, I think it means dilutes of any of those colours.