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Post by Little Tyson on Thu Apr 23 2015, 12:20

I need a little bit of advice how do I stop him bitting & doing his business where hr wants. When me and my partner first got him he was alright with going on his puppy pads but he's completely doing what he wants now help??

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Re: New owner to tyson

Post by Mia05 on Thu Apr 23 2015, 13:21

How often do u take the dog out? How soon after meals are you taking the dog out? Ill move this to puppy chat for you

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Re: New owner to tyson

Post by Rachel33 on Thu Apr 23 2015, 18:53

I remember you saying he is fed Wagg - that would be like feeding E numbers to small children!! I think your first step would be to get him on a food with quality ingredients.

As Mia asks, how often is he walked and let into the garden? It should be hourly, and when you can't monitor him he should be in his crate with toys/a blanket. He needs to go outside after playing, feeding and sleeping also.

With the biting, redirect him to play with a soft toy - if he is relentless leave the room for a few minutes to give him a time out. Some find that making a high pitched noise (as a puppy would) can deter, but I have found with some puppies this excites them and makes them worse.


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Post by -Ian- on Thu Apr 23 2015, 19:20

Hi & Welcome to the Forum from Flo and me Big Grin


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Post by Inez Maria on Thu Apr 23 2015, 19:32

Hiya from me and Vinnie Big Grin


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Re: New owner to tyson

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Re: New owner to tyson

Post by Little Tyson on Fri Apr 24 2015, 09:45

Well I think wagg Is right for him as it's conpleate food so I don't have to add wet meat. I also feed him treats when he's behaved.

With taking him out me and my partner are always out with him but he doesn't hardly do his business outside how am I ment to make him do it outside?

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Re: New owner to tyson

Post by Rachel33 on Fri Apr 24 2015, 19:49

Hiya! I've moved your topic in the hope that it will get more views - I can assure you that the food that you're feeding will effect his behaviour. It will make him more hyperactive, harder to train, and need the toilet more, as most of the ingredients in Wagg will go straight through as waste. We could recommend some other, better quality complete foods?

Could you honestly say that you take him out every hour? I teach a toilet command, such as "do your business" or "wee wees!". Teach this by saying the phrase whenever Tyson naturally goes to the toilet, and then praise and reward with treats once "completed." I know it sounds a bit strange, but it really works. What do you clean the mess up with when he goes indoors also?


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Re: New owner to tyson

Post by Lynn&Pete on Fri Apr 24 2015, 20:10

Hi from us too.
Wagg isn't a good food at all. Yes it's a "complete" feed, and everyone who feeds it would say their dog enjoys it, but it's made to taste nice so people will buy it.
We feed James Welbeloved and pay £42 for a 15kg bag. It may sound expensive, but she is fed 150g twice per day, so we're looking at about 84p per day.
We used this link to decide what to feed, I hope you find it as useful as we did.
http://www.dog-food-review.co.uk/pet_food_review.htm#.VILkpMlFCBZ
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Re: New owner to tyson

Post by Little Tyson on Sun Apr 26 2015, 08:41

Thanks Rachel. We do praze him everytime he has been a good boy and gets punished when he doesn't!

With taking him out,, we are always out with him,, but I read that you need to take him out half an hour after play time& eating. Tyson normally tells me when he wants to ho out and I can ensure you it's not every hour

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Re: New owner to tyson

Post by Rachel33 on Sun Apr 26 2015, 09:19

What do you mean by punished? 90% of what we perceive to be "bad" behaviour is just natural dog behaviour, and usually put fault for not training them efficiently! Dogs rarely need to be punished, but redirected to appropriate behaviour. Dogs don't learn from punishment, but simply suppress the behaviour.

What you clean the mess up with is very important also, as most cleaners don't break down the enzymes in the urine, and being able to still smell it will encourage the puppy to keep going in that same space. No disrespect, but if he was telling you when he wanted to go out, why is he still going indoors?


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Re: New owner to tyson

Post by Rachel33 on Sun Apr 26 2015, 09:29

By every hour I mean into the garden, not out for a walk. Dogs are very routine based animals, and thrive when they know what to expect.


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Re: New owner to tyson

Post by -Ian- on Sun Apr 26 2015, 09:55

Two things that will help with going to the toilet are anticipating when he is likely to want to go, so give him regular opportunities which is what Rachel means above. Start with every hour when young so that he has every chance of getting it right and then praise praise praise when he goes.

Secondly, whilst he goes inside and you tell him off he's getting a reaction and can't work out what that reaction means. They aren't like naughty children, they just don't understand being told off like that. Ignore and clean up the mess and make sure when you clean the area you use a detergent that removes all traces of the smell as they use the smell to go in the same place.

It takes practice and time but you will get there by being consistent Smile


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Re: New owner to tyson

Post by LizP on Sun Apr 26 2015, 11:47

It can be so frustrating when you think you're doing things right but your puppy doesn't respond. That though is his way of letting you know that the way you're trying isn't working for him. Like us, dogs don't all work and learn the same way so we have to find other ways of explaining to them.

For me, the absolute fundamental starting point is that dogs do what they do because they think it is the right thing to do at the time. In the case of puppies, that's usually because they follow their instinct and don't know another way. They don't have great thinking time, so they'll need to do a wee and do it. It's not ever to be deliberately naughty and it's not because he's a little *, it's just because he's a puppy.

Our job is to find how to guide our puppies to do the right thing, to set them up to succeed, so that we can then reward and get them thinking 'what did I do to get that reward'. Then they can do it again to get the reward again.

Especially at this age, but any time with any dog, you have to be super careful with punishment as it can really backfire on you, big time. A dog who is hit or shouted at can become fearful, and fearful dogs are the ones who are more likely to have problems later. It can sometimes be appropriate to give a negative consequence to a behaviour we don't want - with our puppy we find that walking away if she gets carried away and starts mouthing works because she craves company probably more than anything else in the world. So taking that away for just a few seconds is enough to make her think.

With housetraining, you can actually make matters worse by punishing a dog for messing in the house as he can become worried by doing anything near you, i.e. when you take him outside. I know it's annoying to have to clear up wee and poo all the time, and I know it can make you have a grrr moment, but it's essential not to create any negative associations with it for him. Just sigh, clear it up and, as Rach I think it was said, make sure you clean thoroughly - there are various products on the market that should help.

And, of course, you need patience, patience and patience. You have to remember that Tyson has absolutely no idea at all what housetraining is, that he should be going in one place over another, or anything at all other than that he needs a wee. Dogs do naturally like to keep their environment clean but that is something that he will learn with time. With time also his self control will improve and it will become less urgent for him.

For another idea on how to housetrain that might (or might not!) suit you better, look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvB3nLtR69U&list=PL0C724F6F6A597540&index=21

She also has some great videos on other stuff such as mouthing, lead training, etc.

On the question of what to feed, it really is true that the lower end of the market dog foods are packed out with all sorts of rubbish. That's why they're so cheap. I very much agree that feeding poor quality food can affect all sorts of things, including behaviour, and can also impact on long term health. Yes, dogs gobble it up but watching the crap that my dogs will eat (sometimes literally!) that's no great indicator of whether it's actually good for them. and I know that dogs can seem fine on it, but you don't know what's going on inside. I can't see that cutting corners can benefit anyone except the manufacturer. My personal choice is to feed raw, i.e. raw meat and bones, with some carbs and stuff for mineral balance, but it's time consuming and messy, and not for everyone. Failing that, though, I'd absolutely be researching what I believe to be the best quality dog food on the market, as my dogs deserve nothing less than the best.



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Re: New owner to tyson

Post by Dogface on Sun Apr 26 2015, 14:55

Wagg is a nasty food. Change it to something decent and there will be an improvement in his behaviour. Not to mention that he will be healthier in the long-run. My neighbour's dog runs round and round the living room for half an hour at a time and has worn a race-track into the carpet. I said to the guy, "Don't tell me, you feed him Baker's" (even worse than Wagg but there's not a lot in it). The bloke replied, "Yeah, but Baker's is great, he loves it." To him his dog is happy, to me it's gone mental from being fed crap.

http://www.allaboutdogfood.co.uk/dog-food-reviews/0014/wagg-complete

Little Tyson wrote:Thanks Rachel. We do praze him everytime he has been a good boy and gets punished when he doesn't!

As mentioned, praise is all that's necessary. Punishment is meaningless to a dog and all it will do is worsen his behaviour further down the line. Shouting at a dog for messing inside will lead to him doing more of the stuff you told him off for in the first place. It's never the dog's fault, the dog is just being a dog. If you want him to do something and he doesn't do it, guess where the buck stops? I only ever used praise with Bo and aside from a couple of accidents (pee only) he was toilet trained in 48 hours (in the breeder's home he wasn't even pad trained). I bought 100 pads and I still have 98 of them left.

Little Tyson wrote:With taking him out,, we are always out with him,, but I read that you need to take him out half an hour after play time&  eating. Tyson normally tells me when he wants to ho out and I can ensure you it's not every hour

If he tells you when he wants to go out how come he's messing inside? The point is puppies don't know when they need to go out, hence the need to take them out regularly.
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