cropped ears ??

by Darylkstaffy Sun Mar 24 2013, 19:58

why do people do this? very little pitbulls suit it but i was browsing google earlier and people do it to staffys and they absolutely ruin the dogs looks.

i had a pitbull a load of years ago and i got him at 10 months old and his ears was already then he was taken from me when the ban came along Sad

but still dont understand y people do it.

by **rebeccaleanne** Sun Mar 24 2013, 20:00

Its all to do with the dog fighting circle alot are DIY jobs! To me its a cruel act to do to a dog!

by Darylkstaffy Sun Mar 24 2013, 20:01

yea me too :/

cruel people in the world

by **Jackieb** Sun Mar 24 2013, 20:05

Not Nice at all.

Cropped ears was all about the fighting pit dogs, these days, in the country's where the act isn't banned its for cosmetic reasons.

I've seen some nasty cropped ear pics floating around Facebook, the wound is all red n inflamed, looks like someone used kids plastic scissors on them !

Much prefer them with ears Smile

by **Steve** Sun Mar 24 2013, 20:09

rebeccaleanne wrote:Its all to do with the dog fighting circle alot are DIY jobs! To me its a cruel act to do to a dog!

back in the day they used to chop the ear off for fighting becasue it was loose skin that the other dog couyld rip off. the american staffordshire terrier breeder put it in their standard like rotties without tails

by Darylkstaffy Sun Mar 24 2013, 20:09

yea me too lol thumbs up

by Guest Sun Mar 24 2013, 20:10

Used to be to 'help' them out during the fighting days I believe, but now it's because normal. Not here obviously, because it's banned, but in America, for example, it's still very common in a lot of breeds. I think it's stupid, it's unnecessary and makes the dog look intimidating, and in dogs who already have bad reputations, that just makes it harder to convince people the true nature of the dogs. I remember seeing on a dog forum, pictures of a Presa Canario, and everyone was saying it'd be nice to see it with cropped ears Rolling Eyes

like it's a shame to have the dog look as it was meant to look.

by Darylkstaffy Sun Mar 24 2013, 20:10

speaking of rotties without tails ive only ever seen one with a tail looked strange lol

by Guest Sun Mar 24 2013, 20:13

This is a controversial topic I'm afraid Daryl, if you do a search on this site on the subject, you should find discussions covering the subject previously.

I am so sorry to hear that you lost your previous dog to circumstances beyond your control Crying or Very sad

by Darylkstaffy Sun Mar 24 2013, 20:18

sorry about that lynda ill search before i post in future Smile

Yes was hard times was only 3 yrs old when the took my pit

by Darylkstaffy Sun Mar 24 2013, 20:33

the dog was 3 i meant

by Guest Sun Mar 24 2013, 20:42

Don't apologise Daryll, we all have different takes on a subject and it is often good to give them an airing now and again. I just thought you might find previous posts on the subject interesting.

It must have been so hard on you to lose your pet, I'm so sorry.

by Darylkstaffy Sun Mar 24 2013, 20:45

aw lynda it was terrible and i swore id never got another dog after it until i got my wee lexy whos is our pride and joy now and we thinking of getting another puppy (Blue staff) well i am lol

she wouldn be wierd with a new pup around would she ... it will be a boy so

by Guest Sun Mar 24 2013, 21:00

Darylkstaffy wrote:aw lynda it was terrible and i swore id never got another dog after it until i got my wee lexy whos is our pride and joy now and we thinking of getting another puppy (Blue staff) well i am lol

she wouldn be wierd with a new pup around would she ... it will be a boy so

Depends, but dogs tend to get along better when it's a boy and a girl. It's just a case of keeping them supervised when they're together, since little fights can escalate and cause huge problems when left alone. It's best to wait until Lexy is a bit older though, it's advised to have a 2-year age gap between them, plus best to wait until Lexy's grown up a bit more since their temperament might change more as they grow.

Also, if you're considering a blue Staff, just to let you know that you should look for a puppy that doesn't have two blue parents (for example, one blue and the other black), because breeding two blue dogs together can cause some health problems in the puppies. Best to know this before you decide to get one so you know what to look for Big Grin

by Darylkstaffy Sun Mar 24 2013, 21:05

damn i really need to be looking this stufff up thanks alot tara this is great help

by Guest Sun Mar 24 2013, 21:25

Darylkstaffy wrote:damn i really need to be looking this stufff up thanks alot tara this is great help

Here's a good link on what to look for from a good breeder:

http://staffy-bull-terrier.com/guideline_for_buying

I got Loki from an irresponsible breeder because I didn't do the right research, and I don't regret it obviously, but I want another dog in the future, so now I know what not to do if I buy a puppy again Smile

but lots of people breed two blue dogs together so all their dogs turn out blue, because it means more money for them, but it can create health problems, so that's definitely something to watch out for if you plan on getting another puppy.

by **Steve** Sun Mar 24 2013, 21:59

http://staffy-bull-terrier.com/how_to_recognize_a_back_yard_breeder

by Guest Mon Mar 25 2013, 00:57

Darylkstaffy wrote:speaking of rotties without tails ive only ever seen one with a tail looked strange lol

Believe it or not, the vast majority of Rotties now have tails, and to me they look really good! It's great to see that tail waving around & showing how happy they are!

by Steviec Mon Mar 25 2013, 10:09

i saw a rottie over the weekend and it had a tail, to be honest i think they looked better without, it looked strange. probably because my uncle had a rottie when i was a kid and it had a docked tail but i loved when it wagged it's little stump.

i personally haven't seen that many rotties over the years come to think of it.

by danielirl Mon Mar 25 2013, 17:58

in my country(roumania) they do cut the ears to dogs and the tail..they must cut the ears when are young puppy's at the age 2-3 months..i will not do that to my staffy but to a doberman for ex if i will have, i will do it(not me the doctor)because he looks strange with long ears and long tail

by **Steve** Mon Mar 25 2013, 18:02

IMO rottie dont look like rottie anymore

by Guest Mon Mar 25 2013, 20:42

danielirl wrote:in my country(roumania) they do cut the ears to dogs and the tail..they must cut the ears when are young puppy's at the age 2-3 months..i will not do that to my staffy but to a doberman for ex if i will have, i will do it(not me the doctor)because he looks strange with long ears and long tail

It isn't allowed anymore i dont think.

by Guest Mon Mar 25 2013, 20:43

Steve wrote:IMO rottie dont look like rottie anymore

I agree.

by Guest Mon Mar 25 2013, 20:47

Hayley wrote:
Steve wrote:IMO rottie dont look like rottie anymore

I agree.

Why not? Because of the tail, or because of bad breeding?

by Guest Mon Mar 25 2013, 21:01

yes i will admit that a properly done cropped ear i love the look of (depending on the breed) but am glad it's illegal to stop so many people doing DIY jobs

by **rebeccaleanne** Mon Mar 25 2013, 21:05

Caryll wrote:
Darylkstaffy wrote:speaking of rotties without tails ive only ever seen one with a tail looked strange lol

Believe it or not, the vast majority of Rotties now have tails, and to me they look really good! It's great to see that tail waving around & showing how happy they are!

u would agree caryll, i know a guy who has high breed rotties (need to find his website) he more into showing and will only breed his own litter when he wants another competition dog. he studs out his main lad atm but only to select bitches. his rotties are stunning and nothing cropped Smile

danielirl wrote:in my country(roumania) they do cut the ears to dogs and the tail..they must cut the ears when are young puppy's at the age 2-3 months..i will not do that to my staffy but to a doberman for ex if i will have, i will do it(not me the doctor)because he looks strange with long ears and long tail

why have you got to crop? Smile

by Guest Mon Mar 25 2013, 22:00

I've got to admit, I'm a terrible hypocrite about chopping bits off of dogs - and of all animals, dogs have the most bits chopped off of them .

The bits that I would most readily chop off any dog would be the dew claws. Yes it makes the legs look cleaner, but most of all dew claws are a flipping nuisance to the dog - so prone to injury. That's the only thing I would chop off a Staffy (at a few days old only).

Where I feel most of a hypocrite is with tails - with dogs I don't feel a personal affinity for (apart from Boxers) I feel quite content for the dog to have a full natural tail and it doesn't affect my appreciation of their aesthetic beauty. Except Boxers - they just don't look right with a long tail! But that takes me to Dobermanns, who were my first love - for many years as far as I was concerned there were only two types of dog - Dobermanns and "other dogs". And to me a Dobermann just doesn't look "right" with a teapot handle tail.

So, I can understand that for people that have grown up with the look of a dog with cropped ears, that looks "right" to them. Maybe if I had grown up with dogs who had cropped ears, I'd feel the same. But I didn't, and don't like the look, feel or reason of cropped ears.

by danielirl Mon Mar 25 2013, 23:14

well they crop the ears like they crop the tail..is been like that since many ears..maybe if for the look i think..and is not illegal in there in other country i know yes they are illegal

by Steviec Tue Mar 26 2013, 09:41

funny how i said i haven't seen many rotties around and i saw another last night whilst out walking cass. that also had a tail and im sorry but it just doesn't look right on a rottie.

is there a reason it was banned? or was it seen as cruel so was banned?

by Guest Tue Mar 26 2013, 09:42

Steviec wrote:funny how i said i haven't seen many rotties around and i saw another last night whilst out walking cass. that also had a tail and im sorry but it just doesn't look right on a rottie.

is there a reason it was banned? or was it seen as cruel so was banned?

It was banned because it's a form of mutilation without a purpose. For working dogs where mutilation of the tail is necessary, it's allowed. Otherwise, it's purely for cosmetic and aesthetic needs, which is purely unecessary.

by Guest Tue Mar 26 2013, 09:56

danielirl wrote:in my country(roumania) they do cut the ears to dogs and the tail..they must cut the ears when are young puppy's at the age 2-3 months..i will not do that to my staffy but to a doberman for ex if i will have, i will do it(not me the doctor)because he looks strange with long ears and long tail

I'm sorry if this offends, but it's cosmetic mutilation. In my opinion.

Hayley wrote:
danielirl wrote:in my country(roumania) they do cut the ears to dogs and the tail..they must cut the ears when are young puppy's at the age 2-3 months..i will not do that to my staffy but to a doberman for ex if i will have, i will do it(not me the doctor)because he looks strange with long ears and long tail

It isn't allowed anymore i dont think.

It's illegal here in the UK, but legal in many other countries.

Steviec wrote:funny how i said i haven't seen many rotties around and i saw another last night whilst out walking cass. that also had a tail and im sorry but it just doesn't look right on a rottie.

is there a reason it was banned? or was it seen as cruel so was banned?

It was banned because, as Eleanor says, it's cosmetic mutilation. There is no reason whatsoever to dock a dog's tail (unless it's a working breed that is going to be used for working, and is of a breed where tail damage during working is common) or crop its ears - ever.

by stig Tue Mar 26 2013, 10:06

Steviec wrote:funny how i said i haven't seen many rotties around and i saw another last night whilst out walking cass. that also had a tail and im sorry but it just doesn't look right on a rottie.

is there a reason it was banned? or was it seen as cruel so was banned?

You'll naturally notice them more now it's been brought to your attention, my brother has one that is now 5 and I only recently noticed she still had her tail, and that was because I caught it with my foot and she went to bite me. My family kept rotties for years and all were docked, my brother doesn't agree with docking, neutering or cropping but he was saying she is so sensetive about her tail he wishes he'd had her done. They look odd but if I were looking for another rottie (which I doubt I ever will) I wouldn't care whether it was docked or not to he honest.

Dobies on the other hand, I would not want one unless it was cropped and docked

by Guest Tue Mar 26 2013, 10:17

stig wrote:I doubt I ever will) I wouldn't care whether it was docked or not to he honest.

Dobies on the other hand, I would not want one unless it was cropped and docked

Why? Cropping is just plain cruel without any need whatsoever & docking, for a pet dog is also unnecessary!

Your brother's dog is probably no more sensitive about her tail than any other dog - it's just that he isn't used to having a dog with a tail.

by **Steve** Tue Mar 26 2013, 10:27

if done by vets there nothing wrong with it

by **Steve** Tue Mar 26 2013, 10:29

what get me so made about this we quick to ban things like this but we dont ban problems family from having more kids that make other family life a living hell, it's doesn't make any sense what so ever!!

if a vet does there nothing with wrong with it

by Steviec Tue Mar 26 2013, 10:32

ah right, i didn't know that.

i have to say i agree with stig in the sense i couldnt have a rottie or dobie if it had a tail. they just don't suit them? it might seem an extreme reason not to have one, then again i own a staff and that in itself is extreme. praying

by Steviec Tue Mar 26 2013, 10:33

Steve wrote:what get me so made about thi my we quick to ban things like this but we dont ban problems family from having more kids that make other family life a living hell, it's doesn't make any sense what so ever!!

if a vet does there nothing with wrong with it

i agree

by Guest Tue Mar 26 2013, 10:40

Steve wrote:if done by vets there nothing wrong with it

Cropping in the UK is illegal, so is docking unless done before a certain age and because the dog is destined to be a working dog.

Steviec wrote:ah right, i didn't know that.

i have to say i agree with stig in the sense i couldnt have a rottie or dobie if it had a tail. they just don't suit them? it might seem an extreme reason not to have one, then again i own a staff and that in itself is extreme.

Extreme? I suppose you could call it that. If you don't like a dog to have a tail, or you want it to have pricked ears, then get a breed that is naturally like that...get a corgi.

by Steviec Tue Mar 26 2013, 11:09

Caryll wrote:
Steve wrote:if done by vets there nothing wrong with it

Cropping in the UK is illegal, so is docking unless done before a certain age and because the dog is destined to be a working dog.

Steviec wrote:ah right, i didn't know that.

i have to say i agree with stig in the sense i couldnt have a rottie or dobie if it had a tail. they just don't suit them? it might seem an extreme reason not to have one, then again i own a staff and that in itself is extreme.

Extreme? I suppose you could call it that. If you don't like a dog to have a tail, or you want it to have pricked ears, then get a breed that is naturally like that...get a corgi.

i was joking/ being sarcastic with the extreme comment about a staff. that's some peoples opinions of them.

i don't like corgis? in fact i'd rather have a cat than a corgi but I like rotties and dobbies, I just wouldn't have one if they had a tail. if it was legal and a vet could do it, i'd have it done. why? because IMO they look better. plus i like dobbies and rotties because of the dog they are.

by **Steve** Tue Mar 26 2013, 11:59

Caryll wrote:
Steve wrote:if done by vets there nothing wrong with it

Cropping in the UK is illegal, so is docking unless done before a certain age and because the dog is destined to be a working dog.

i know it illegal you dont need to tell me Rolling Eyes

what i'm saying IF it done by a vet it should be ok

by Guest Tue Mar 26 2013, 12:37

Cosmetic mutilation whether ears or tail is wrong. I like nothing better than seeing a Boxer, Doberman or Rottweiler with a tail. They look so much better, my girls love wagging their tails. There is nothing worse than seeing a dog wagging a stump, it's uncivilised. Big Grin

by **Steve** Tue Mar 26 2013, 13:46

well that your opinion my opinion if i was a boxer, rottie owner i would be pretty gutted

by Guest Tue Mar 26 2013, 13:48

Personally, I prefer them with tails/ears intact. I only support mutilation when it's in the animal's favour. For instance, tail docking with some sheep. But as Steve said, it comes down to opinion.

by **Steve** Tue Mar 26 2013, 14:12

these owners will just buy them from aboard so it pointless banning them here

by **Steve** Tue Mar 26 2013, 14:13

and that mean more untested and unhealthy dog will be entering the uk

by Guest Tue Mar 26 2013, 14:57

cozza wrote:If it does not benefit the DONT DO IT SIMPLE RULE ......

I am 100% on the side of the non mutilators

There is only 1 form of cosmetic surgery I would condone on the grounds of looks and its not on a man or a dog Blushing

by **Steve** Tue Mar 26 2013, 14:58

Steve wrote:these owners will just buy them from aboard so it pointless banning them here

Steve wrote:and that mean more untested and unhealthy dog will be entering the uk

by Guest Tue Mar 26 2013, 15:10

I remember reading that the bans put on tail docking and ear cropping actually hardly affected the importation of dogs who had already had the procedures done. Apparently most people are put off by the hassle and expense of it all. Will see if I can find it later.

by Guest Tue Mar 26 2013, 15:17

Although I don't agree with it, I remember the first time I saw a Boxer with a tail, I was staring at it for ages thinking something doesn't look right here. then I realised it was the long tail! Big Grin

by Guest Tue Mar 26 2013, 15:19

They do look quite different. I've always preferred tails though, if I'm honest. Purely personal preference, but I like them better Smile

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