is slapping a pup a bad idea??

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My pup is very bitey and nothing seems to be working when i shout no and ignore him he keeps coming back to bite again, after three times i put him out for 10 minutes and bring him in again and the same thing hapens. I no its only playing but it is sore what should i do?? He was the dominant pup. People say tap him on the nose, others say its bad... What do you think??

Steve wrote:you mean when you have let your dog get away stuff when you should of been conisitent when he was a pup like you bring up a kid, if you let your kid get away with everything or tell him off once and then let him get away with it the next you have a problem kids like you would get a problem dog...

damage a dog to be good is not the right way of training your dog!

Surely there is a bit of a jump between pinning/tapping a dog and damaging it?

i never lock the dogs in other rooms when people come. to allow them to interact with visitors is part of the socialisation process. The dogs know they can go to their beds and the visitors including know that if the dog is in bed then leave it alone. socialisation is the most important part of a dogs developoment.

If you pin a dog down or train with negative reinforcement you are teaching your dog to listen to you based on fear and not respect. This IMHO is asking for problems your dog should respect and not fear you.

blaze wrote:I have a 3 year old daughter who has 2 and 3 year old friends to come round and play, if the kids or the parents are not happy with the dogs around the kids for whatever reason then they get shut in the porch

now i see the logic of it here because the kids are easily nocked over. if its just adults though then i wouldnt

(Caryll here - I've forgotten my password & I'm waiting for Steve to reset it!)

Steve wrote:lock them out in the porch well my dog have more right then other kid and people in this housemold if people dont like dog they have to come around and they know their place they below my close family how it should be.

I have often taken Dempsey out of a room when we've had people round who are not good with dogs. He is a big, heavy, pushy dog & he can get quite out of hand. He can knock an adult over quite easily & kids really stimulate him. Although he isn't aggressive with kids (really very good) he can be rough.

jstaff wrote:If you pin a dog down or train with negative reinforcement you are teaching your dog to listen to you based on fear and not respect. This IMHO is asking for problems your dog should respect and not fear you.

Totally agree!

AzzynCav wrote: All this purely because "oooo he is my baby and I dont like shouting at him or pulling his collar hard".

It is a dog.

I also don't agree with pinning your dog or shouting either, as I have seen both actions to be counter productive and took time to correct.

Whether an animal/child comparison is acceptable to the individual or not, the results are generally, arguably, pretty much the same, negative.

It seems better for both owner & dog to work with firm positive, reward based training.

Taz wrote:

AzzynCav wrote: All this purely because "oooo he is my baby and I dont like shouting at him or pulling his collar hard".

It is a dog.

I also don't agree with pinning your dog or shouting either, as I have seen both actions to be counter productive and took time to correct.

Whether an animal/child comparison is acceptable to the individual or not, the results are generally, arguably, pretty much the same, negative.

It seems better for both owner & dog to work with firm positive, reward based training.

Exactly.

Taz wrote:

AzzynCav wrote: All this purely because "oooo he is my baby and I dont like shouting at him or pulling his collar hard".

It is a dog.

I also don't agree with pinning your dog or shouting either, as I have seen both actions to be counter productive and took time to correct.

Whether an animal/child comparison is acceptable to the individual or not, the results are generally, arguably, pretty much the same, negative.

It seems better for both owner & dog to work with firm positive, reward based training.

agree

I don't agree with the pinning down notion either but can understand. I have always found making a loud yelp when nipped works eventually - agreed you look and sound like a wimp when it was clearly a nothing bite - but it does the trick.

Try the cold shoulder, remember a staffy only wants to please you, i think you'll find alot of pups go through this. Kenny did and it passed, good luck and yelping worked for me too

yes, i read about the bad effects pinning down can do. To put it lightly the author said it's the same as abuse, a scared dog is an unhappy dog,

I was at my hubbies out-of-the-military party last weekend and there was a very mouthy young staffy pup there and he was using peoples arms, ears, and noses as chew toys, so when he came to sit with us and bite I made a little muzzle around his snout with my hand and grabbed him by the scruff and pushed his head down until he stopped trying to turn and bite more and then after that didnt bite at all the rest of the night.

I'd never do that to someone else's dog. I'd be too worried about offending the owner or making the pup yelp!

I asked permission first ofcourse, it was after he made one of our ears bleed, I was very gentle with the pup I would never want him to yelp but he did need to be shown some disipline.

PoaBoss wrote:I was at my hubbies out-of-the-military party last weekend and there was a very mouthy young staffy pup there and he was using peoples arms, ears, and noses as chew toys, so when he came to sit with us and bite I made a little muzzle around his snout with my hand and grabbed him by the scruff and pushed his head down until he stopped trying to turn and bite more and then after that didnt bite at all the rest of the night.

Sorry, but i disagree, the pup was proberly scared.

You also could of got hurt your self. When training pups your advised to touch them all over and check their teeth. This sort of treatment could make tha pup very wary of having their ears and teeth looked at,

krik1690 wrote:My pup is very bitey and nothing seems to be working when i shout no and ignore him he keeps coming back to bite again, after three times i put him out for 10 minutes and bring him in again and the same thing hapens. I no its only playing but it is sore what should i do?? He was the dominant pup. People say tap him on the nose, others say its bad... What do you think??

What i did with Sapphire who was very bitey all the time, whenever we played with her, which was all the time, and she got bitey i would stop playing instantly and say "no biting"...i think i said this about 100 times in half hour lol.. 2 days later and she knew what no biting meant. She rarely ever nips now even when playing, she uses her teeth but its sooo gentle and she still know what "no biting" means even though we didn't have to use it after 4 weeks of having her.

I don't like smacking, the dog will never know what that smack is for even when we shout no to them. Plus i always live in fear of the dog eventually being fed up of the smacks and turning against me. Sooo i have never smacked...i never smacked my kids either.

Sapphire knew "no biting" before she knew "no" or even her own name.

Good luck!

Oh and after the first half hour of teaching her no biting she would start licking my hand so then i would stroke and fuss her, some ppl don't think its wise to do that but as far as im concerned her licking was her sign of submission.

Just play with the lil baba and keep at it. You might get fed up of your own voice and you might end up just randomly saying "no biting" to some random person in thr street simply because its drummed into your head too, but it works i promise