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Post by Littleman on Sat Jan 20 2018, 20:59

my pup is just over 5 months old now and is doing well with toilets during the daytime with just the odd accident when I'm at work and the walker comes in, but at night he often goes a wee and sometimes poos (weekend are worse when we have a couple of extra hours sleep) when should we expect to be able to loose the nappy pads and for him to last the night?  

How old was your pup?
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Re: Overnight toilets

Post by Nifty staffy on Sat Jan 20 2018, 22:01

Nifty was clean pretty quickly but I would have thought it depends on all individuals.

First question is if he’s doing his business overnight on the training pads or elsewhere ?
As for overnight poo, do you feed him late at night ?
Are you regular is taking him to pee and poo and does he do this around the same time during the day ?
Does he give any signal before overnight toilet (start being restless, “talking”, etc) ?

Nifty gets her evening meal around 6pm and then gets offered a toilet trip to the garden every 2 hours or so.
Last toilet trip is around 11pm and first morning trip at 5:30 am.
At around 6 months we switched to 2 meals a day and she poos 3 or 4 times a day : 5:30 morning before her breakfast, midday during human lunch break, 6pm before dinner and occasionally late night poo.
She always gets verbal praise for a pee and has a biscuit after poo in the garden (as long as she moves away from it straight away instead of going back to eat it  sick  )

Hang in there and he will hold longer.
We’re pretty much clear of poo eating with a bit of perseverance so it will happen for you too Smile
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Post by Jnestie84 on Sat Jan 20 2018, 22:25

Hi with Gus we had him in a crate overnight when he was a pup. We started by having it in the bedroom and took him out even during the night when he indicated he needed to go out.  He was very good and never did anything in his crate.  We moved it out of the bedroom but still into an area we could hear and very soon he was sleeping through the night.  From about 6 months we left the crate open and he would sleep through the full night from about 10.30 till 6.30.  We now have to wake him up to go out in a morning! I’m sure he will soon get the hang of itsoon


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Re: Overnight toilets

Post by Larry on Sat Jan 20 2018, 22:33

Nifty staffy wrote:Nifty was clean pretty quickly but I would have thought it depends on all individuals.

First question is if he’s doing his business overnight on the training pads or elsewhere ?
As for overnight poo, do you feed him late at night ?
Are you regular is taking him to pee and poo and does he do this around the same time during the day ?
Does he give any signal before overnight toilet (start being restless, “talking”, etc) ?

Nifty gets her evening meal around 6pm and then gets offered a toilet trip to the garden every 2 hours or so.
Last toilet trip is around 11pm and first morning trip at 5:30 am.
At around 6 months we switched to 2 meals a day and she poos 3 or 4 times a day : 5:30 morning before her breakfast, midday during human lunch break, 6pm before dinner and occasionally late night poo.
She always gets verbal praise for a pee and has a biscuit after poo in the garden (as long as she moves away from it straight away instead of going back to eat it  sick  )

Hang in there and he will hold longer.
We’re pretty much clear of poo eating with a bit of perseverance so it will happen for you too Smile



Neeko has just turned 6 months and we still give him 4 meals a day. The guides on the bags are pretty annoying so I just weight out the maximum recommended and split it into 4 meals. Sometimes I think it's not enough so give him a little bit extra.

Was thinking about reducing to 3 a day but I really don't no what to do for the best.


To op though, he's pretty good at night now. But he still pees in his bed when it's been cleaned, not sure why though.
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Post by gillybrent on Sat Jan 20 2018, 22:48

Normally you feed 4 times a day from 8 - 12 weeks, then three meals until 6 months. After that, you reduce to 2 meals & can either keep on 2 meals for life, or reduce to one meal at about a year.

So yes, I'd start to cut out at least one meal a day (gradually).

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Re: Overnight toilets

Post by Larry on Sat Jan 20 2018, 23:07

gillybrent wrote:Normally you feed 4 times a day from 8 - 12 weeks, then three meals until 6 months. After that, you reduce to 2 meals & can either keep on 2 meals for life, or reduce to one meal at about a year.

So yes, I'd start to cut out at least one meal a day (gradually).


Whoops,  got some new food today so will be gradually changing over the next week or so. Will drop his meals down to  3 a day for a few weeks then down to 2.  

I hope this won't of had any negative effects on his health.

Also, how many grams a day would you be giving at 6 month?
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Post by Nifty staffy on Sun Jan 21 2018, 05:18

Larry wrote:

Also, how many grams a day would you be giving at 6 month?

It very much depends on the individual.
You can use the feed bag as a guide but depending on factors such as type/brand of kibble, growth and activity, it can vary alot. Just adjust quantities if he drops weight or if he’s getting rounder.
I think Nifty was getting about 70-80g of orijen twice a day at that age.
I would only worry if the amount you had to feed was very very different to guidelines (another recent thread was feeding more than double the recommendations, then maybe the kibble isn’t compatible).


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Post by Nifty staffy on Sun Jan 21 2018, 05:28

Larry wrote:
To op though, he's pretty good at night now. But he still pees in his bed when it's been cleaned, not sure why though.

Maybe it's a way of marking his bed as his ... or he just doesn’t like the fabric softener that you use Laughing
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Post by Larry on Sun Jan 21 2018, 09:37

Nifty staffy wrote:
Larry wrote:

Also, how many grams a day would you be giving at 6 month?

It very much depends on the individual.
You can use the feed bag as a guide but depending on factors such as type/brand of kibble, growth and activity, it can vary alot. Just adjust quantities if he drops weight or if he’s getting rounder.
I think Nifty was getting about 70-80g of orijen twice a day at that age.
I would only worry if the amount you had to feed was very very different to guidelines (another recent thread was feeding more than double the recommendations, then maybe the kibble isn’t compatible).

Been completely honest I would say he's on that 4 times a day. But looking at him I think any less wouldn't be enough.  I wouldn't want anybody thinking I'm starving him nor do I want anybody thinking I'm over feeding him.

Here's a few pics but I think he looks fine.

https://i.imgur.com/bWptjMf.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Uxq7vCS.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/efNWClr.jpg

Please be honest, I will not be offended.
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Post by Nifty staffy on Sun Jan 21 2018, 11:51

What do I honestly think of Neeko ? .....
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If more feed is working for him, I wouldn’t worry too much about it.
Also the recommended amounts for the same age/weight will vary between kibbles. I had to give more Pro Plan than Orijen, probably the difference being the cereal fillers in the PP.
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Post by Larry on Sun Jan 21 2018, 12:42

Nifty staffy wrote:What do I honestly think of Neeko ? .....
l-o-v-e

If more feed is working for him, I wouldn’t worry too much about it.
Also the recommended amounts for the same age/weight will vary between kibbles. I had to give more Pro Plan than Orijen, probably the difference being the cereal fillers in the PP.



I got a big bag of grain free yesterday, so going to try him on 3 meals today gradually switching type over the next week. Not sure of his weight at the moment, so will get him on the scales tomorrow. He has been growing quite fast lately so will be interesting to know.

He does seem to be a very popular dog, even the trainer at puppy class seemed to take a real like to him. Don't no if posting names of classes is aloud but will read the rules and if it's Ok ill post a thread about it because the trainer was fantastic and the amount he/we learnt in 10 classes was amazing.
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Post by gillybrent on Sun Jan 21 2018, 16:22

They're all so individual! The amounts suggested on the food bags are just that - suggestions. You tailor them to suit your dog, just starting points to work from.

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Post by LizP on Sun Jan 21 2018, 18:06

[quote="Larry"]
Nifty staffy wrote:

Don't no if posting names of classes is aloud but will read the rules and if it's Ok ill post  a thread about it  because the trainer was fantastic and the amount he/we learnt in 10 classes was amazing.

That's fine. We don't allow advertising but recommendations are fine Smile


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Post by Littleman on Sun Jan 21 2018, 19:48

Thanks for the replies.
Bailey is good during the day he just can't quite hold it at night, we put a pad down by the back door but he often misses it and wee's on the floor, he does go near it so he is trying.  Poo's aren't so common in the house just at the weekends he can't always seem to hold it overnight.
Bailey sleeps downstairs in a crate (always has) although the crate door is left open but he rarely ventures out once lights are out bless him
I do take him into the garden before bedtime to make sure he goes before bed
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Post by Littleman on Sun Jan 21 2018, 19:49

When did you stop using nappy pads?
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Post by gillybrent on Sun Jan 21 2018, 19:53

I've never used them!

I've just taken the pup out every hour or so, and after food or exercise. Plenty of praise or a treat when they've 'performed'.

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