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Post by Chrispkirk13 on Tue Oct 29 2013, 20:42

Darcy may I was just looking for some dos and don'ts and some info on how to go about it thts why I came to breeders chat.?? I'm just want him to stop oozing his pups all over my house
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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 29 2013, 20:45

so is he registered ?? does he have all his health checks in place ??

If you put him up for stud , you are using him as a breeding machine

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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 29 2013, 20:47

I've unlocked your topic Chris I was just being cautious, that way you can answer Dave's questions re your boys kc pedigree and health tests Smile

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Post by Chrispkirk13 on Tue Oct 29 2013, 20:57

No I'm looking to do it once maybe twice In his lifetime not to start up a dog breeding machine, I also want a pup from his litter I want a friend for him and it would be his son I am quite shocked to the answer if I put him up for stud I'll be using him as a breeding machine , I'm only 22 (hope no one judges for my age)I'm want to keep his bloodline with me forever,my family pet when I was younger was a solid white staff and I wanted to keep his line but by the time we tried it was too late now it's pictures thts my memories Im totally devoted to my dog and I was gutted when we lost the chance so I'm not going to use him as a breeding machine..!
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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 29 2013, 20:58

no doubt he is a handsome boy but that is not what makes a stud dog , improves the breed or helps out the whole stafford situation

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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 29 2013, 20:59

Chrispkirk13 wrote:No I'm looking to do it once maybe twice In his lifetime not to start up a dog breeding machine, I also want a pup from his litter I want a friend for him and it would be his son I am quite shocked to the answer if I put him up for stud I'll be using him as a breeding machine , I'm only 22 (hope no one judges for my age)I'm want to keep his bloodline with me forever,my family pet when I was younger was a solid white staff and I wanted to keep his line but by the time we tried it was too late now it's pictures thts my memories Im totally devoted to my dog and I was gutted when we lost the chance so I'm not going to use him as a breeding machine..!
Is he registered and health tested

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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 29 2013, 21:07

If you want him to have a 'pal' I would highly recommend that you don't have his son!

Father/sons often just don't get on & you could be building all sorts of trouble for yourself.

The thing you have to remember is that whoever you breed him to can decide where the pups go, so you may not even get one of his pups!

Is he good enough to breed from, ie is he such a good example of the breed (confirmed, preferably, by a breed judge of good standing) to better the breed? Have you checked to make sure that his Inbreeding Coefficient (COI) is low? Would you be prepared to research both his pedigree and the bitch's to make sure they are compatible?

You'd also have to make sure that both he and whichever bitch he's mated to had the necessary health checks...the following checks are essential:
http://www.staffords.co.uk/sbtbc/health_issues.htm

Then you should ask yourself:
"Am I prepared for the possibility that some of his pups could end up in the wrong homes/dumped at rescue centres?"

If the answer (honestly) is no to any one of those questions, or even if you are unsure about any of them, then the answer to breeding him should be a firm "No!"

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Post by Chrispkirk13 on Tue Oct 29 2013, 21:10

I understand where ur coming from but I went right out of my way and don't regret it atall to find a boy tht I feel is perfect and I want to keep his bloodline with me until I'm old and wrinkley,I really don't get why I'm being criticised for want to breed my dog tht I payed for and love I would make sure all the pups get good homes even though it's not the males owners place but I would i dote on my dog and for someone to say if I stud him I would be using him as a breeding machine don't think thts right
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Post by Chrispkirk13 on Tue Oct 29 2013, 21:13

No as I said in the first comment I'm new to this and looking for some expierienced advice?
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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 29 2013, 21:15

Chrispkirk13 wrote:I understand where ur coming from but I went right out of my way and don't regret it atall to find a boy tht I feel is perfect and I want to keep his bloodline with me until I'm old and wrinkley,I really don't get why I'm being criticised for want to breed my dog tht I payed for and love I would make sure all the pups get good homes even though it's not the males owners place but I would i dote on my dog and for someone to say if I stud him I would be using him as a breeding machine don't think thts right
OK simple maths and logic

Your boy has a mating and has 8 pups , you keep 1 back

7 pups got to homes that could co wrong
If all 7 homes go right then that is 7 more pups in the world so 7 others be it pups or rescues that don't get homes

They are facts to think about when you get that boy or girl you want from the bloodline

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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 29 2013, 21:21

Chrispkirk13 wrote:I understand where ur coming from but I went right out of my way and don't regret it atall to find a boy tht I feel is perfect and I want to keep his bloodline with me until I'm old and wrinkley,I really don't get why I'm being criticised for want to breed my dog tht I payed for and love I would make sure all the pups get good homes even though it's not the males owners place but I would i dote on my dog and for someone to say if I stud him I would be using him as a breeding machine don't think thts right
I'm sure you feel he is absolutely perfect, and as your companion I'm sure he is! But that isn't quite the point.

Breeding should only ever be done with a view to bettering the breed. That entails everything I put in my last post.

It's obviously your dog & you can do whatever you want, but you asked for opinions/advice & we've given it. It's up to you whether you take any notice. However, if you go ahead, please don't expect a pat on the back. I kNow that sounds harsh & unfriendly, but there are far too many litters bred by amateurs with no thought whatsoever for the future health of the pups (ie the health tests mentioned in the link I gave you, the research through the pedigrees to check compatibility & making sure that the COI for your dog, the bitch & the pups is kept well below 7%), and we just can't, as a forum, condone that.

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Post by Chrispkirk13 on Tue Oct 29 2013, 21:24

Tht why I'm looking for expierienced advice and the right way to go about my actions I would think of the pups as my grand dogs I don't want anything to go wrong I can't even watch advertisements on TV about dogs being mistreated and as I have said I want to keep one of his pups I'm looking to follow the correct procedures and get the health tests done thts why I'm looking for expierienced advice
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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 29 2013, 21:26

Chrispkirk13 wrote:Tht why I'm looking for expierienced advice and the right way to go about my actions I would think of the pups as my grand dogs I don't want anything to go wrong I can't even watch advertisements on TV about dogs being mistreated and as I have said I want to keep one of his pups I'm looking to follow the correct procedures and get the health tests done thts why I'm looking for expierienced advice
What I said in my first post is the barest minimum of what you should be looking at. A good breeder will go above & beyond the barest minimum, though.

Do you know what your dog's COI is?

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Post by Chrispkirk13 on Tue Oct 29 2013, 21:31

His COI is 4.7%.
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Post by Chrispkirk13 on Tue Oct 29 2013, 21:35

I would be looking to go above and beyond and try and better the breed,so I would be looking to follow all the correct procedures and me and my girlfriend would both be researching but as this is our first dog together just looking for some guidence thanks for the comments I may have been misunderstood I under no circumstance want to create more problems withing the staffordshire bull terrier community
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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 29 2013, 21:37

Ok, his COI is fine. Looking at your avatar, I would say that both his parents were blue? If that's the case you would have to be very careful to use a bitch with no blue in her background as otherwise you may be increasing the possibilty of Colour Dilution Alopecia.

You would also be advised to not only check the bitch's COI, but also To use the Kennel Club's 'mate select' service to see what the COI would be for the pups.

How would you ensure that the pups went to good homes? How would you guarantee that the bitch would produce a male, anyway? She may only have two or three pups and all be bitches. What would you do then, breed him again?

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Post by Chrispkirk13 on Tue Oct 29 2013, 21:55

Yes because I'm only looking to breed twice In his lifetime but on the second time if there wasn't any boys I would take a bitch i would be looking for a suitable match do as much as I possibly can and more to stop any of the worst scenarios happening
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Post by Chrispkirk13 on Tue Oct 29 2013, 22:00

I'm not looking to make any rash decisions I want nothing but good to come out of me breeding my dog and wouldn't go ahead until I fully understood the correct way to go about things so I'm going to study on what yous have all said I appreciate your comments thank you
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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 29 2013, 22:04

As Caryll said Chris you have your basic advice so now you can do some homework and hope you come out with the right answers Smile Guess you realise by now it is certainly not something to be done on a whim

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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 29 2013, 22:10

Chrispkirk13 wrote:Yes because I'm only looking to breed twice In his lifetime but on the second time if there wasn't any boys I would take a bitch i would be looking for a suitable match do as much as I possibly  can and more to stop any of the worst scenarios happening
Which would be even worse! A father & daughter? What if the worst happened and they mated? That would really not be a good idea, and quite frankly, if the only reason you want to mate him is to have one of his pups, then that simply isn't a good enough reason.

If you think that there would be some benefit to 'keeping his line going' then you are mistaken. The pup would, most likely, be absolutely nothing like his father in either looks, colour or temperament!

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Post by Chrispkirk13 on Tue Oct 29 2013, 22:16

Yea I don't disagree with anything any1 has said,hence I came to a staffy forum and got some advice I don't want to be put down as the same as the money grabbing scum tht breeds them to flood our streets crossbreads I really have some studying to do and really appreciate the answer even though some wer harsh but I've seen past the harshness and I won't be making any decisions anytime soon thanks for the comments it's really apprecitated thanks again
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Post by Chrispkirk13 on Tue Oct 29 2013, 22:21

You don't get bad dogs you get bad owners and it's about the time and dedication put into ur dog how can u say tht one of his pups could be bad natured and if I wasn't going to get a boy from his 2nd litter he would be castrated im not a silly guy I know the drill with having a bitch and a boy together
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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 29 2013, 22:23

Chris , all I will say to this is I bought my first girl from a BYB and though very lucky on how things worked out I did my research through the forum and learned the error of my ways . As an ex staff member that has played a big part in the forum for the last 3 years then we have seen all the stories and generally very few good ones and lots of bad ones . Nobody means to be harsh with you and if we are then remember we are here for the dogs so sorry if the owners come 2nd

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Post by Guest on Tue Oct 29 2013, 22:26

Chrispkirk13 wrote:You don't get bad dogs you get bad owners and it's about the time and dedication put into ur dog how can u say tht  one of his pups could be  bad natured and if  I wasn't going to get a boy from his 2nd litter he would be castrated im not a silly guy I know the drill with having a bitch and a boy together
I'm sorry, but where did I say his pup would be bad natured? I just said that having a son wouldn't mean that they would be anything alike. You would be better off buying a pup to keep him company, or even looking at a rescue dog for companionship.

You really do sound determined to go ahead, albeit with some research, and all I can reiterate is that this forum cannot and will not condone breeding for this reason.

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