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Post by egar on Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:53 pm

It is a funny old world we live in...
http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_headline=sold-dog-of-death%26method=full%26objectid=20276186%26siteid=93463-name_page.html

Dog of Death indeed - funny enough ever since he has hopped on the ferry to Ireland he seems to have lost his urge to kill and became what he always was: a normal pup!

FREEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOM!!!


Look at me, aint I handsome?



Come closer, I wanna eat you!


Ooooh, a rednosed horse, are they banned??? Kindred soul, give me a kiss!


I saw the horse do it! Wonder what it tastes like..


Right, you are the human I am supposed to attack...


I much rather go for a walk with you instead...


Want a drink, little man?


His story is a story of *You can't have your cake and eat it*. The *dog of death* was bought and used as an example how easy it is to obtain *devil dogs* in the UK and how *dangerous* these dogs are. Yet the newspaper peeps could not bring themselves to kill him by handing him over to the police, after all, he is a cute little pup, aint he?? And you know what? DoD has taken a ferry to Ireland...and I am going public with it as it defeats the whole purpose of DDA and shows the crazyness of this *law*. The Devil Dog whos real name is Raymond Beanie Bag Wiggly Arse aka *oh no, don't do that!* will have his own website and peeps will be able to track his progress online. A friend thought up a good name for it: the People's Puppy Big grin.

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Post by ceasersgirl on Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:05 pm

its a shame because it doesn't show this dog as being well balanced puppy, so all it taught these people is that "devil dogs "lol, are soooo easy to get, it make me sooo sad crying

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Post by frankiec on Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:21 pm

Dogs are dogs, it saddens me that pitbulls are a banned breed, it really does. However the law is the law, which means here in the UK we have a lack of respect for it seeing as every cowboy seems to be cross breeding or infact they have a pit.

Why break the law? the possibility of getting staffies hit with the same brush is possible I hope you realise. Stealing someones tools from his van is an offense, you most likely would not do it, unless of course your a pikey or scum bag. So why break the law by having pitbulls or mixing them with staffies and making out there "Irish staffies". Totall lack or respect for the law.

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Post by ceasersgirl on Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:19 pm

sometimes the law is an ass though, batting eyelashes more people get killed bye horses each year than killed bye pits, i think unfortunately cos they are banned it makes the d*c* heads want them even more they seem to think it gives there willies an extension , its just a shame for the respectable owners who do a really good job at bringing up these dogs, i only think the law was passed as a knee jerk reaction, maybe it should be more difficult for people to buy dogs in general, it might put some people off, but probably not sad i went on a sight on the net to try and find out the statistics, off dog attacks bye bull breeds, and you know what they haven't even got one, silly it really winds me up I'm afraid, so maybe some people don't respect the law cause sometimes its wrong,

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Post by smooth on Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:25 pm

same old same old.

exploitation of the innocents by the unscrupulous.

if ''andre'' had of been nicked by the law the dogs would have been put down & he would be whipped with a feather.

there is just no logic or reason to bsl.

the clock is ticking & one wonders how much time the sbt has left?

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Post by Steve on Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:28 am

tongue Staffie wont be ban in our lifetime tongue the gov knows it's not the breed it's the owners
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Post by smooth on Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:01 am

Steve wrote:tongue Staffie wont be ban in our lifetime tongue the gov knows it's not the breed it's the owners


if they knew that, there wouldn't be a bsl.

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Post by Steve on Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:22 am

only way they going ban staffordshire bull terrier if the kennnal club tell them to do it, government said on the bbc news they dont need to ban any other breed of dog.
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Re: Dog of Death - People Newspaper UK - Important, pls read

Post by lesley on Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:00 am

Steve wrote:only way they going ban staffordshire bull terrier if the kennnal club tell them to do it, government said on the bbc news they dont need to ban any other breed of dog.


Unless it comes to voting time and thats what the ignorant public ask for..................

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Re: Dog of Death - People Newspaper UK - Important, pls read

Post by Steve on Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:47 am

Objective for Future ‘Dangerous Dogs’ Legislation
By the Dangerous Dogs Act Study Group

Introduction

The issue of dangerous dogs and protecting the public has been one that has posed a problem for legislators for many years. Legislation concerning this dates back to 1871 with the Dogs Act. This provides for any person to make a complaint to a Magistrate’s court that a dog is dangerous or report the matter to the police. If the court is satisfied that the dog is dangerous and is not being kept under proper control then it may make an order for it to be kept by the owner under proper control or destroyed.

More recently the implementation of the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 as amended has had a significant effect on the welfare of some dogs, which have either been kept in kennels for many years or euthanased simply because of their breed or type. Additionally, it has not prevented a large number of dog attacks or reduced the number of Pit Bull Terrier type dogs in the UK. Statistics on dog attacks have not reduced since that Act was introduced and in fact, the number of hospitalisations is reported as having doubled.

For these reasons the Dangerous Dogs Act Study Group (DDASG), a wide-ranging group representing animal welfare, local authorities, police and veterinary professional organisations, has been considering the issue and believes future legislation needs to better protect the public against dogs dangerously out of control without compromising any individual dog’s welfare. The Group considers the following proposals to be balanced, and (if implemented as intended) believes they should help to prevent future attacks on people and animals occurring in the future – therefore protecting both the safety of the public and the welfare of dogs.

Objective

To better protect the public without compromising dogs’ welfare by the introduction of a ‘Control of Dogs Act’ to incorporate the better aspects of the Dogs Act 1871 and the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 as amended but ultimately repeal them, as they are widely criticised for their deficiencies.


DDASG includes representation from: Battersea Dogs and Cats Home, Blue Cross, BVA, Dogs Trust, the Kennel Club, the Metropolitan Police, RCVS, RSPCA, Wandsworth Borough Council and Wood Green Animal Shelter.

Justification

New legislation is required to better protect the public.

The Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 as amended has failed because:

• Section 3 only applies after an incident has taken place, rather than operating on a preventative basis;

• Section 3 only applies when the dog is in a public place, or a private place where it is not permitted to be (so that persons entering a private place where the dog is permitted to be have no protection);

• Section 3 only applies to dogs that have acted dangerously towards people;

• The Act has cost the Police much of their vital resources – it has cost millions of pounds in kennelling associated costs since it came into force;

• There is no provision for an owner to apply to a Court for a seized dog to be returned;

• Section 1 predicts a dog’s behaviour based on its physical conformation when this is not possible. This is why Section 1 dogs placed on the Index of Exempted Dogs have never been proven dangerous, and why dogs of breeds or types other than those prohibited have been involved in dog attacks.

The Dogs Act 1871 has failed because:

• There is no power of seizure;

• If an owner transfers the dog to someone else prior to a Court hearing, they may be able to avoid the proceedings;

• The Court has no power to require the owner to pay compensation.

Proposal

• Low level incidents should be dealt with by a staged approach of Control Orders, where necessary through the Courts. This should be used where the dog has, for instance, shown aggression, caused an injury to another animal, caused harm, or caused a person to reasonably believe it will cause harm; Any person could make a complaint to the Court (to reduce costs to the public purse).

• Retain the offence to deal with serious aggression e.g. a dog that causes a serious injury, or a dog that is encouraged by its owner to be aggressive; and limit enforcement to the police and local authorities.

• Retain the offence to possess or advertise a restricted type of dog (e.g. currently the pit bull terrier type dog) unless the dog in question is registered on the Index of Exempted Dogs, and re-open the Index to owner led applications provided it can be shown on the balance of probability the dog is not a danger to public safety.



Detailed Proposal

• Base legislation on the legal duty of care of the person in whose charge the dog is, and the owner of the dog that put the person in charge of it, that the dog is not dangerously out of control.

• Apply the legislation to incidents that take place in public as well as private.

• Provide that, where the legislation allows the Police a power of seizure (under a warrant if not in a public place), proceedings must begin within one month of seizure for a minor complaint and six months of seizure for a more serious offence.

• Provide a graduated system, through the Courts if appropriate, to introduce Control Orders requiring but not limited to, one or more of the following: the dog to be destroyed; the dog to be kept under proper control; the dog to be kept subject to conditions including being kept on a lead and/or muzzled; the dog to be re-homed; the owner to be disqualified from having charge/being in possession of a dog for such a period as the court considers appropriate; and the owner to be required to pay up to £5,000 in compensation for personal injury, loss or damage arising from the incident where the dog has actually caused harm in a minor incident, and up to a £5,000 fine and/or 6 months imprisonment or an unlimited fine and/or up to 2 years imprisonment, in a more serious case.

• Include defences for anyone accused to prove that the dog was provoked into being aggressive or the attack was in self-defence, or at the time the dog was dangerous the dog was not under the owner’s control but under the control of someone he believed to be responsible, or the dog was on private land where it was permitted to be and the person or animal was a trespasser (i.e. present on the land without express or implied permission).

• Include an appeals procedure in the legislation for an owner to appeal against the Court’s first control order straight away and for the conditions of the control order to be varied/discharged after at least a year.

• Include an exemption for dogs used on official duties as service dogs, when at work.

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Re: Dog of Death - People Newspaper UK - Important, pls read

Post by smooth on Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:20 am

lesley wrote:
Steve wrote:only way they going ban staffordshire bull terrier if the kennnal club tell them to do it, government said on the bbc news they dont need to ban any other breed of dog.


Unless it comes to voting time and thats what the ignorant public ask for..................



absolutely.

that's the reason for bsl in the first place....bum sucking for votes from an uninformed joe public.

the same scenario has happened everywhere a bsl has been introduced...public outcry...ban the dog. the dogs owner just move on....business as usual.

if there are continued reported of ''attacks'' by ''staffies'' joe will demand ''ban the staffies''

you don't have be a rocket scientist too figure that out.

it's the very reason why the owners of ''real'' staffies have to be more vigilant. have to be out & about , showing joe & his family what a great little dog the ''real'' staffy is......16/38...not 18/50.....bold, fearless, totally reliable....no some half crazed nutter likely to chew up everyone in sight......

*%#@ed out owners of once family type dogs brought the bsl down on us.....

*%#@ed owners of ''staffies'', & i use that breed desciption loosely, will bring th bsl to the staffies door.

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Post by Steve on Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:27 am

i cant see it happening but that my opinion
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Post by smooth on Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:14 pm

wasn't it neville chamberlain who said.....


''peace in our time''


just before the german armies rolled into poland.

''not in my life time''

they could be walking up you path tomorrow with a court order.

don't ever sit back & think it wont happen just because the staffy is an english dog....the ******* are working against the little fellow.

''tall'' staffies....''irish'' staffies...''sporting'' staffies....etc, etc

the staffies card is being marked by people not even watching the game....just reading the results.......you don't have to be guilty to marked guilty....just read some of the posts here for instance about ''staffies''....staffies?...not bloody likely.

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Post by Mattie on Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:50 pm

Hunting was banned because of the people who don't understand what goes on, I am not saying I am for or against it, but hunting shows what can be done by people who shout the loudest. If it can happen to that, it can happen to Staffies.

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Post by Corryne on Thu Apr 03, 2008 5:10 pm

Staffies wont be banned even if some people ask for it this nation has a hell of alot of dog lovers and a hell of alot of staffie owners and also as said the Kennel club would have an input aswell and they wont tell the government what they want to hear.

The fact that have also recently been alot of reports and articles in favour of our beloved smiling nanny dogs including the bbc which has produced at least two this year.

"deed not the breed" is the most likely change, which would be great i also think there should be greater laws on who can breed with proper licences etc yes there would still be idiots out there trying to get around it but at least if there was a law and they were caught they could be punished for being a complete idiot
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Irish Staffie

Post by Keano on Tue May 06, 2008 8:59 pm

My son bought an "Irish" Staffie which we had to have put down at 7 months old - bit my wife 3 times. Final straw was a face bite. I did not take the decision to have him put down lightly. Stig was a great dog 99.9% of the time but sometimes it was like a grey mist descended over him and he was too unpredictable.

We have since rescued Keano (2 year old SBT)and couldnt be happier that we have another dog in the house. We still miss Stig but it wasnt safe to have him anymore

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