Over Vaccination

In order to avoid further derailment of lisalisa's thread I'm starting this one

I read about over vaccination the other night in Cesar Millan's "Member of the Family" book. After a bit of digging around I found this link. Made for an interesting read. I'd like to know how everyone else feels about this issue?

Recommending, administering, and charging for re-administration of
modified live vaccines like Canine Distemper, Canine Parvovirus,
Feline Panleukopenia, injectable Feline Rhinotracheitis, and
injectable Feline Calicivirus on an semi-annual, annual, bi-annual or
tri-annual basis is theft by deception, fraud by misrepresentation,
misrepresentation by silence, and undue influence given the
literature that states:

1. The USDA Center for Biologic and Therapeutic Agents asserts
that there is no scientific data to support label claims for annual
re-administration of modified live vaccines, and label claims must be
backed by scientific data.

2. It is the consensus of immunologist that a modified live
virus vaccine must replicate in order to stimulate the immune system,
and antibodies from a previous vaccination will block the replication
of the new vaccinate virus. The immune status of the patient is not
enhanced in any way. There is no benefit to the patient. The client
is paying for something with insignificant or no effect, except that
the patient is being exposed to unnecessary risk of an adverse
reaction.

3. A temporal association has been demonstrated between
vaccinations and the development of Immune Mediated Hemolytic Anemia.

4. It has been demonstrated that the duration of immunity for
Canine Distemper virus is 7 years by challenge, and 15 years by
serology; for Canine Parvovirus is 7 years by challenge, for Feline
Panleukopenia, Rhinotracheitis, and Feline Calicivirus is 7.5 years
by challenge.

5. A reasonable client would not elect re-administration of any
of the above stated vaccinations for a previously immunized pet if
provided with the above information.

Controversial... I disagree, I think that all dogs should be vaccinated I have several articles about this which I will try and remember to post up later. My dogs have now and will always be vaccinated I believe that it is best for them, to protect them as much as is possible. You also have to remember that without vaccinations you cannot insure your dog, attand dog training classes or puppy socialisation classes and you also cannot kennel your dog.

i would vaccinate for the reasons above like watts said

I'm not suggesting for a minute not vaccinating at all. What I'm wondering about is the reasoning behind re-vaccinating annually. The science behind it is sound - adding a modified pathogen to an already vaccinated system will result in the already existing antibodies destroying the pathogen before it replicates which basically would mean the administration would have no beneficial effect on the animal it was administered to and some of the detrimental effects seem to me to be pretty damned negative.

Bear in mind that in the US they've already changed the recommended revaccination period to 3 years with the exception of Rabies which is still mandated by law to be administered annually.

I do agree with vacninating dogs but I do believe sometimes maybe we over vaccine but I dont for one second think dogs should never have vaccines! gosh how confusing!

I will always vaccinate my dogs, I would be too scared of running the risk of them catching something.

Better to be safe than sorry in my opinion. But each to their own and if people choose not to vaccinate their dogs, then that is down to them, but not an option for me.

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Sylar has had his first two vaccinatons but next year I think I'm going to shell out for this titre test just to see. If he's still carrying the antigens then there's no way I'm paying for the vet to inject him with a useless, harmful serum.

Would you MMR your kids on an annual basis?

My dogs are all vaccinated for the reasosn stated but also becuase if i didn't my insurance would be void as in the small print both worming and vac's must be up to date.

I do know many people that use the herbal alternative and their dogs are all fit, health and compete on a weekly basis and have nerv come down with anything.

The insurance issue really is a PITA

I'd hate my dogs health to be compromised on grounds of financial consideration but there's no way I can risk not having him insured.

the only problem with the MMR I have is that they dish it out 2 young. 13mths IMO is to young. I didnt let my daughter have it till she was 2.

I think my nephew has just had this and he is 4.

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I've been doing some reading and have to say I've found a lot of nonsense meant to scare people from supposed experts.

This one made the most sense to me and I feel gives a honest opinion.

http://www.thepetcenter.com/exa/vac.html

Damn it's my worst nightmare - no hard scientific evidence either way. I guess I'll stick to the annual boosters, then and hope for the best.

Some days I wish the human race was a bit better at knowing things

Thanks for the link anyway, it helped.

the thing is if everybody were to vaccinate their dogs then maybe it would not be neccessary to give a booster every year but because it is not compulsary there are diseases that could be easily caught and IMO it is not worth the risk for a few pounds ,it is very hard sometimes to know what to do for the best

I vaccinate my dogs annually, because like other members my insurance is void if I dont

nikki_kev wrote:I think my nephew has just had this and he is 4.

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They have theboosters at 4 before school, it was probably that

To be fair, I wasnt around for any of charlies vacinations so im not really that clued up on it :/ Id have to learn all of this before I ever got a pup!

If everyone vaccinated we wouldn't have to do it yearly probably, problem is that a pup born to an unvaccinated mum has NO immunity and when mixing with other litters or the humans who come to visit the pups or even people just in and out on a daily basis can contract parvo, this means that he will pass it on to the entire litter and the mum, and everyone who has had contact with them pass it on to every unvaccinated dog they meet... nightmare!

I think some times they do Over Vaccination our pets. One year when my cat was about 3 or 4 years, they gave him his Vaccination and all most killed him. I got so up set by this. The thing is with vets they like to get every thing cheap, and they used a cheap Vaccination on him, not the same one as last time. Now I have to pay more just to use this other one, it's stupid. I don't no why I have to pay more money for. I just hope they don't do this to bubbles when he gets older.

Rubysummer- don't you take Charlie for boosters every year?

After 2 annual boosters I realised our old staffie Jet was suffering an allergic skin reaction.
Following this we never had a repeat booster.

Have not read all the above threads, but it is clear we over imunise in this country.
Even a local vet admitted that in her country(Poland), they only administer a booster every 3 years. And it is the reccomendation of the drug company. THE SAME company here advocates yearlu booster???
Incidently , I have found as soon as you raise serious questions, most vets are very hesitant to give a straight answer. I think the world of the vet who saved our bronx, she is straight talking and a great vet, but on this subject it is clear you are getting the political practiced answers , I am very suspicious of the whole thing .

I will NOT be repeat vaccinating my dog with massive doses of live vaccines, I would never own an unvaccinated dog, but will not give him unnecessary and possibly harmful treatments. I may consider a booster maybe every 3 or 5 years. Though I think it may take 3 years to get an honest and scientifically proven answer to show which option to go for

Markey wrote: Though I think it may take 3 years to get an honest and scientifically proven answer to show which option to go for

I think it's unlikely you'll get an honest answer anytime. Pharmaceutical conglomerates have no vested interest in you knowing the truth so you're unlikely to ever hear it. Right now we can guess they're selling between 3 and 5 times as much of this stuff as we actually need to buy. Owning up to that is marketing suicide and my faith in human nature does not stretch to a corporation putting animal life before profit. Hell, most of them rank human life way below profit.

At my vets, if your dog goes a few months overdue from when they were supposed to have their booster, they say that you have to start all over again like you do with the 1st puppy vaccinations! I was worried they were going to say that Fen had to start all over again with hers, because she missed her booster due to being ill, but luckily, the vet did it recently! I don't think a booster every year is necessary, but they always make a big thing about not letting them go overdue or they won't be protected anymore!

P3nT4gR4m wrote:

Markey wrote: Though I think it may take 3 years to get an honest and scientifically proven answer to show which option to go for

I think it's unlikely you'll get an honest answer anytime. Pharmaceutical conglomerates have no vested interest in you knowing the truth so you're unlikely to ever hear it. Right now we can guess they're selling between 3 and 5 times as much of this stuff as we actually need to buy. Owning up to that is marketing suicide and my faith in human nature does not stretch to a corporation putting animal life before profit. Hell, most of them rank human life way below profit.

Very True !

Look at the situation in the states - don't forget the fact that my OP is a series of legal proceedings against pharmaceuticals in america for exactly this problem.

Most vets know which side their bread is buttered so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on an honest answer from them either.

Diesel's vaccinated and gets all his booster shots as well as well as all the other worming , flea ect treatments! I also get my kids done too! will definitely be looking into the swine flu vaccine at the end of this year for the fam! And good god America! You can sue anyone for anything over there!