Aggressive Due To Raw Food?

yarder · by yarder on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 20:00

Hi,

Oreo is 18 weeks old now and is on dry kibble. I have suggested a raw diet for him but mum says no its too expensive - Thats one thing. But She REFUSES To give him any raw food - Not even a raw chicken wing - She thinks it couls turn him aggressive e.g. he accidently bit someone , tastes their blood thinks of his raw chicken wing and rips them to shreds. She is adament that he will not be eating any raw meat. What Can I Say To Her To Allow Him To Have A Raw chicken wing - I Think he'd love it. She Thinks he will get a taste for fresh blood - I see where she is coming from - How right/wrong is she? . Thanks . x

**watts1974** · by **watts1974** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 20:11

I can't even begin to describe how wrong she is, and tbh, I have no idea of what you could say to her with that mindset.

**My Bully's Keeper** · by **My Bully's Keeper** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 20:18

Outdated nonsense.

Dogs are designed to eat meat, tearing and devouring the lot. What does your Mum think dogs did before the commercial pet food industry of the 1940's came along? lol

Blood lust is a load of rubbish. I do however know a few morons who 'blood' their Jack Russel Terriers with baby rabbits to get them a 'taste of blood', again it's simply a load of rubbish.

Raw feeding is not more expensive either, that's another myth. If you eat meat buy a wee bit more for the dog. Chicken wings cost £1.50 for a carton of at least 8-10.

I maybe suggest your Mum reads a few websites on raw feeding or she can log on to the forum and ask about it, that's if my dog Harley isn't ripping out a baby's throat at the time laughing

**My Bully's Keeper** · by **My Bully's Keeper** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 20:25

Another thing, if your Mum eats meat then does she have an overwhelming desire to rip the head off a chicken or slit a cow's throat?

Nah didn't think so lol. Dog's don't associate raw chicken with a dead animal any more than kibble.

yarder · by yarder on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 20:57

Its not the dead animal association - Its a 'taste for blood' she says 'Id rather not take the risk' . . . I Dont mind him not being fed on a raw diet i wouldnt be ready for that I know the balance wouldnt be too great =[ . But I Just think at least a chicken wing every now and again wouldnt hurt (N) . . . Thanks.

**Markey** · by **Markey** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 21:23

yarder wrote:Its not the dead animal association - Its a 'taste for blood' she says 'Id rather not take the risk' . . . I Dont mind him not being fed on a raw diet i wouldnt be ready for that I know the balance wouldnt be too great =[ . But I Just think at least a chicken wing every now and again wouldnt hurt (N) . . . Thanks.

But she is just very wrong.

Eating raw food will NOT do anything bad to your dog.
In fact cheap kibble is far more likely to make a dog hyperactive.
BTW . I do nut feed raw, so I am not pushing you towards it.
Just pointing out how wrong the comments were

**My Bully's Keeper** · by **My Bully's Keeper** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 21:56

yarder wrote:Its not the dead animal association - Its a 'taste for blood' she says 'Id rather not take the risk' . . . I Dont mind him not being fed on a raw diet i wouldnt be ready for that I know the balance wouldnt be too great =[ . But I Just think at least a chicken wing every now and again wouldnt hurt (N) . . . Thanks.

Well it sounds like she's made up her own mind and that's the way it's gonna be bud.

The taste for blood thing is absolutely ridiculous to be honest but again that's not my decision to make. My dog's fed raw and he's the most loving dog you'll meet.

But again, if your Mum eats meat then why doesn't she have a 'blood lust' when tucking into a medium rare steak?

laughing

Oh and all the chicken wings I've fed my dog, I've seen no blood.

athomp800 · by athomp800 on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 22:42

jake has Harringtons dry food with a chicken wing a day and he luvs them. he's the most laid-back, placid dog i have ever met. its a shame she won't entertain the idea as Oreo would luv them as a treat. Jake's gets so excited when he sees me opening the fridge door and taking his wing out

much healthier than commercial treats.

**SBT mummy** · by **SBT mummy** on Tue 03 Nov 2009, 16:34

would your mum be thinking the same if it was a labrador.
i find raw cheaper x

**Oxide** · by **Oxide** on Tue 03 Nov 2009, 17:20

Don't fight it. There's enough stress in your house wthout this. He won't be worse off without a few chicken wings

yarder · by yarder on Tue 03 Nov 2009, 18:26

SBT mummy to be wrote:would your mum be thinking the same if it was a labrador.
i find raw cheaper x

Yuppp Lol . And Oxide I Wont But I just Think she is being a little bit ignorant and making uninformed decisions =@

**watts1974** · by **watts1974** on Tue 03 Nov 2009, 18:30

Yeah, and be really careful how you phrase that with her

The only way for people to be informed is to find information out. As Oxide quite rightly said, is it worth pushing when she isn't "fond" of the dog anyway?

**My Bully's Keeper** · by **My Bully's Keeper** on Tue 03 Nov 2009, 18:40

Personally, I'd nip to Asda buy some chicken wings and feed her a couple when your Mum's not looking batting eyelashes

**watts1974** · by **watts1974** on Tue 03 Nov 2009, 18:47

Behave Rodney! She's only 16, and still has to do what her Mum says!

**Oxide** · by **Oxide** on Tue 03 Nov 2009, 19:55

Don't cause trouble when it's not necessary please. Sometimes you just have to let sleeping dogs...well just leave them lol!

yarder · by yarder on Tue 03 Nov 2009, 20:08

Lol! . She LOVES Him Lol he just annoys her! She Will carve the family chicken and he gets almost as much as me =O . Im Not going to push it with her im not bothered enough she always says pick your battles - this one isnt worth fighting for =D . I just wanted to confirm that what she was saying was wrong and that raw food wouldnt do him any harm physically or mentally! But I wont push the subject Im not bothered enough about it but I just wanted to make confirmations Smile

. You guys remeber alot lol! But Thanks Alot! =]. But Dont be mistaken My mum is Fond of him she just cant express it winking

**Oxide** · by **Oxide** on Tue 03 Nov 2009, 20:15

That good

No - raw food won't harm him but there are a few things that are dangerous for dogs to eat and should be avoided.

http://staffy-bull-terrier.niceboard.com/staffordshire-bull-terriers-health-and-nutrition-f27/dangerous-foods-t70.htm?

suntory · by suntory on Wed 04 Nov 2009, 05:12

I've heard that so many times as well and have to keep explaining how untrue it is. Oyyy

**Maistaff** · by **Maistaff** on Wed 04 Nov 2009, 07:04

Here is alink i discovered yesterday relating the diet of kibble and man made foods to joint and bone problems in dogs. They discuss how when in the 1930's when dogs were fed on scraps etc that these issues were un heard of. Its really intresting and rally gives you food for thought about what we are actually feeding our dogs and could the introduction of grain foods to them be causing under lying issues over the years

http://www.crosskeysbooks.com/news/2009/07/bone-and-joint-disease-in-young-dogs-are-we-barking-up-the-wrong-tree/

**Oxide** · by **Oxide** on Wed 04 Nov 2009, 09:12

Breeding has more to do with health issues than food.

**Maistaff** · by **Maistaff** on Wed 04 Nov 2009, 09:29

Oxide wrote:Breeding has more to do with health issues than food.

Oxide read the link i put up it really does make you ask some questions regarding breeding and what we feed and how the two go hand in hand

It really is an intresting read ! Has given me food for thought

**Oxide** · by **Oxide** on Wed 04 Nov 2009, 10:17

Ok this is IMAO...
I've read similar articles and it's all theories, theories, theories for every article like this one there's another one that has "proven" the exact opposite.
Yes health, nutrition and exercise is very important but are healthy dogs bred. A standard is set up for how a dog must look cosmetically and I really can't be convinced it's healthy for bulldogs to have a squashed up face and have such broad chests they can hardly walk properly or German Shepherds to have such low slung hips their backs are pulled out of alignment. These are greater problems than feeding your dog 60% meat and 30% crushed veg instead of Bakers.

**My Bully's Keeper** · by **My Bully's Keeper** on Wed 04 Nov 2009, 16:22

Oxide wrote:Don't cause trouble when it's not necessary please. Sometimes you just have to let sleeping dogs...well just leave them lol!

I would of thought 'personally' would make clear my point.

**My Bully's Keeper** · by **My Bully's Keeper** on Wed 04 Nov 2009, 16:24

Oxide wrote:These are greater problems than feeding your dog 60% meat and 30% crushed veg instead of Bakers.

My OPO.

Inbreeding fair enough obviously causes problems. However, you feed a human McDonalds every day and don't exercise them, they'll be a mess by they're 21.

Do the same with a dog, feeding junk food they'll be the same too. You are what you eat is basic common sense, appertaining to canine or human.

**watts1974** · by **watts1974** on Wed 04 Nov 2009, 16:25

I'll just go and get the dictionary ready appertaining indeed

**My Bully's Keeper** · by **My Bully's Keeper** on Wed 04 Nov 2009, 16:33

Maistaff wrote:Here is alink i discovered yesterday relating the diet of kibble and man made foods to joint and bone problems in dogs. They discuss how when in the 1930's when dogs were fed on scraps etc that these issues were un heard of. Its really intresting and rally gives you food for thought about what we are actually feeding our dogs and could the introduction of grain foods to them be causing under lying issues over the years

http://www.crosskeysbooks.com/news/2009/07/bone-and-joint-disease-in-young-dogs-are-we-barking-up-the-wrong-tree/

Brilliant article that sums up my thoughts on a lot of canine disease...

It was in the 1930’s that the traditional meat, bones, offal and table scrap diet fed to dogs for centuries was abandoned as people were at that time forced to eat these foods themselves. It was the food that the dogs of the day were switched to, which became life-changing and health threatening; and not only for dogs, but ultimately also for cats. This was the beginning of the enormous pet-food industry as we know it today. This industry arose because in the 1930’s, the dog owners of the day began to feed dogs with stock feed; grain-based feed, to which was added extra protein and calcium in the form of what was basically fertiliser meat meal, blood and bone. To make a long story short, grain producers, realising the profits to be made from the wastes of their industry, began what has become the ubiquitous and damaging (to companion animal health) modern pet food industry.

:-bd

**My Bully's Keeper** · by **My Bully's Keeper** on Wed 04 Nov 2009, 16:34

watts1974 wrote:I'll just go and get the dictionary ready appertaining indeed

Must be our high educational standards in the North East Jo laughing

**Oxide** · by **Oxide** on Wed 04 Nov 2009, 18:56

My Bully's Keeper wrote:
Oxide wrote:Don't cause trouble when it's not necessary please. Sometimes you just have to let sleeping dogs...well just leave them lol!

I would of thought 'personally' would make clear my point.

I don't understand what you're trying to imply.

**Oxide** · by **Oxide** on Wed 04 Nov 2009, 18:59

My Bully's Keeper wrote:
Oxide wrote:These are greater problems than feeding your dog 60% meat and 30% crushed veg instead of Bakers.

My OPO.

Inbreeding fair enough obviously causes problems. However, you feed a human McDonalds every day and don't exercise them, they'll be a mess by they're 21.

Do the same with a dog, feeding junk food they'll be the same too. You are what you eat is basic common sense, appertaining to canine or human.

What you're saying is fine but in another post you were saying how feeding your dog a balanced meal is a bit of a myth ??? What exactly is your opinion?

**Emmalou** · by **Emmalou** on Wed 04 Nov 2009, 20:10

I never believe the internet 100% for one thing that is "proven" another thing knocks it down, Its just one of them things. I really dont get the whole food thing

**My Bully's Keeper** · by **My Bully's Keeper** on Wed 04 Nov 2009, 20:47

Oxide wrote:
My Bully's Keeper wrote:
Oxide wrote:These are greater problems than feeding your dog 60% meat and 30% crushed veg instead of Bakers.

My OPO.

Inbreeding fair enough obviously causes problems. However, you feed a human McDonalds every day and don't exercise them, they'll be a mess by they're 21.

Do the same with a dog, feeding junk food they'll be the same too. You are what you eat is basic common sense, appertaining to canine or human.

What you're saying is fine but in another post you were saying how feeding your dog a balanced meal is a bit of a myth ??? What exactly is your opinion?

I don't see how feeding a dog 'junk food' as in kibble counteracts what I've said about balanced diets?

Pretty self explanatory IMO

**My Bully's Keeper** · by **My Bully's Keeper** on Wed 04 Nov 2009, 20:53

Oxide wrote:
My Bully's Keeper wrote:
Oxide wrote:Don't cause trouble when it's not necessary please. Sometimes you just have to let sleeping dogs...well just leave them lol!

I would of thought 'personally' would make clear my point.

I don't understand what you're trying to imply.

Personally means 'I would do it', doesn't mean I'm sanctioning other people to do what I would do.

**Emmalou** · by **Emmalou** on Wed 04 Nov 2009, 20:55

How is kibble junk food?

**My Bully's Keeper** · by **My Bully's Keeper** on Wed 04 Nov 2009, 20:58

Emmalou wrote:How is kibble junk food?

Repeating Maistaff's link

http://www.crosskeysbooks.com/news/2009/07/bone-and-joint-disease-in-young-dogs-are-we-barking-up-the-wrong-tree/

All in my opinion of course.

**wids** · by **wids** on Wed 04 Nov 2009, 21:05

OK JUST FOR FUN....

the Old fashioned Good Housekeeping Guide to feeding your dog ....courtesy of my much loved & missed Mum sadly no longer with us....

1. Don't feed your dog raw food they will get worms
2. If it's in a tin it must be safe otherwise they wouln't be allowed to sell it
3. All table scraps are ok for dogs..."it's Christmas let them have a mince pie"
4. Here's my left over dinner from last night for your dogs...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

.......and in her later years Tesco cooked chicken is the new way to feed your dog!!!

All joking aside I know she nurtured adored and cared for many family long living pets in her lifetime

....oh how times have changed!!!

I REPEAT ...JUST FOR FUN...mince pies are not good for your dog nor is a Christmas Glass of Sherry!!

**Emmalou** · by **Emmalou** on Wed 04 Nov 2009, 21:33

I think although that link is interesting, Its a bit silly. People are freaking out thinking they are feeding their dog cack and its untrue. Raw feeding can be unsafe if not researched and its worrying sad

**Oxide** · by **Oxide** on Thu 05 Nov 2009, 04:43

wids wrote:I REPEAT ...JUST FOR FUN...mince pies are not good for your dog nor is a Christmas Glass of Sherry!!

She had leftover sherry ????

This whole Barf thing is good kibble is bad thing is getting old and boring. Just about every post is sporting something about it. Not all dog food companies are satan, they are not just in it for the money. Feeding kibble is not the cause of all problems as is being alluded. Kibble is not junk food. One of my vets is a dog nutritionalist and he helped formulate the kibble I feed my dogs. My other vet swears I'm feeding poison but yet my dogs are healthy, Luna's skin is healthy even with her grass allergies, they have energy and are happy dogs. IMFAO this is more important. If your dog is happy on Barf great but stop slagging of kibble. I really can't stand the hypocrisy anymore!

**watts1974** · by **watts1974** on Thu 05 Nov 2009, 09:27

This is one of those subjects that always causes emotions to run high, along with neutering and breeding. I've said this a million times and I'll say it again. Everyone does what they believe is best for their dogs, however different this may be. I feed my dogs kibble, I don't expect to be slagged off for it, nor would I slag anyone off who feeds raw or barf.

MBK is a vegetarian, I am not he does not slag me off for eating meat and I have never commented on his diet as its a personal choice for both of us. If you have researched barf and are happy feeding it and your dog is well - great, if you have researched the kibble and your dog is well - also great.

Opinions and advice are excellent tools to have and everyone must choose whats right for their dog.

**Markey** · by **Markey** on Thu 05 Nov 2009, 10:01

Well said boss...

**My Bully's Keeper** · by **My Bully's Keeper** on Thu 05 Nov 2009, 10:38

Oxide wrote:
wids wrote:I REPEAT ...JUST FOR FUN...mince pies are not good for your dog nor is a Christmas Glass of Sherry!!

[img] If your dog is happy on Barf great but stop slagging of kibble. I really can't stand the hypocrisy anymore!

An opinion is just that, an opinion. I don't see where hypocrisy comes in to it anywhere?