Worried about Harley

**My Bully's Keeper** · by **My Bully's Keeper** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 14:23

He's not eating, his tail looks like it's superglued between his legs and he's looking so fed up.

Never seen him this bad before, when he's knocked himself before he's never been like this sad

Swiss · by Swiss on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 14:37

Sorry to hear this matey; hope he heals quickly. Have you noticed that we worry far more about our dogs than we do ourselves? If it were you with pain I bet you would grin & bear it for the most part.

SBT must be the most difficult breed to keep quiet for a few days. Good luck.

**Oxide** · by **Oxide** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 14:38

Have you had him at the vets?

**matt** · by **matt** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 14:40

Poor Harley, it's horrible seeing them when they're not right. Hope his legs better soon and he's back to himself.

**My Bully's Keeper** · by **My Bully's Keeper** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 14:44

Yes Oxide, he's twisted his knee apparently. He looks dreadful though sad

**Maistaff** · by **Maistaff** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 14:45

that doesn't sound right. How is his hind leg? is he putting any weight on it yet.

Might be worth while taking him to the vets. Or sourcing a Physiotherapist as they often know more about muscle issues as they deal with them ona daily basis.

**Oxide** · by **Oxide** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 14:59

Get him some Rymadils - fantastic stuff! You can also do some hot and cold compresses on his knee to help soothe some of the pain.

**watts1974** · by **watts1974** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 15:45

Poor Harley

in fairness pain isn't nice for any of us, maybe its making him feel a bit sick?

**allie** · by **allie** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 15:48

Poor Harley, I so hope he is feeling much better soon

Vix · by Vix on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 15:55

is he on cage rest?

**kara** · by **kara** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 16:01

Hope Harley is feeling better soon

**My Bully's Keeper** · by **My Bully's Keeper** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 16:07

This is really odd, he's going between the drowned rat look then just going mental thrashing about then back with his ears back tail right under.

I wish he could talk sad

Vix · by Vix on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 16:08

if he has twisted his knee and he isnt already, i'd strongly suggest cage rest for the poor lad, will stop him aggravating it anymore at least.

**allie** · by **allie** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 16:10

I think that means something is kinda pinching him, ????? just a thought

**My Bully's Keeper** · by **My Bully's Keeper** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 16:16

Picture of him 5 minutes ago.

His tails been like that all day.

Vix · by Vix on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 16:19

sorry to say chick, but he does look in pain sad

his back is tight, his stomach tucked up, even tension in his face... poor lad what advise has the vet given, whats the prognosis? why is he not being cage rested? did they not give him any pain killers?
i have a friend who is a Mctimoney Chiropractioner, basically a chiropracter for dogs, she's brilliant at what she does and often fixes things that vets cant, might be worth looking one up in your area Smile

**allie** · by **allie** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 16:19

Oh No, poor Harley

**My Bully's Keeper** · by **My Bully's Keeper** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 16:32

Vix wrote:sorry to say chick, but he does look in pain his back is tight, his stomach tucked up, even tension in his face... poor lad what advise has the vet given, whats the prognosis? why is he not being cage rested? did they not give him any pain killers?
i have a friend who is a Mctimoney Chiropractioner, basically a chiropracter for dogs, she's brilliant at what she does and often fixes things that vets cant, might be worth looking one up in your area

Give him rest and metacam sad

We don't have a crate anymore and he's at work with me. I'm not even sure it's just his knee to be honest sad

**watts1974** · by **watts1974** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 16:34

Whats the deal with the metacam? Rimadyl in my experience is a great thing for them to have?

Vix · by Vix on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 16:35

could you borrow one from a friend? or even buy a cheap one from ebay, might be worth it mate?

Vix · by Vix on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 16:35

watts1974 wrote:Whats the deal with the metacam? Rimadyl in my experience is a great thing for them to have?

never having had to use either, what exactly is the difference?

**My Bully's Keeper** · by **My Bully's Keeper** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 16:39

Vix wrote:could you borrow one from a friend? or even buy a cheap one from ebay, might be worth it mate?

I'm adverse to the crate to be honest IMO. He was trained to use a crate but we got rid of it when he was around 4 months old. He spends all day with me and usually just in the office so it's pretty small and he sleeps a lot of the time.

Thanks for the concern.

**Maistaff** · by **Maistaff** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 16:40

Vix wrote:
i have a friend who is a Mctimoney Chiropractioner, basically a chiropracter for dogs, she's brilliant at what she does and often fixes things that vets cant, might be worth looking one up in your area

I totally can vouch for the McTimoney Chiropractioner. I am waiting to hear back from one in my area for Charlie. They really do work wonders and as Vix said can often do more good than the vets

**Maistaff** · by **Maistaff** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 16:41

My Bully's Keeper wrote:Picture of him 5 minutes ago.

His tails been like that all day.

poor wee man ... give him a

from me

**watts1974** · by **watts1974** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 16:44

Only major difference I can find is that metacam is a slightly weaker oral soluition whereas the rimadyl are palatable chewable tablets, the weakness of the metacam isn't necessarily a consideration as the amount could be increased and the tablets decreased if your with me. Lola took 1 1/2 a day when she hurt herself of the rimadyl.

Vix · by Vix on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 16:45

My Bully's Keeper wrote:
Vix wrote:could you borrow one from a friend? or even buy a cheap one from ebay, might be worth it mate?

I'm adverse to the crate to be honest IMO. He was trained to use a crate but we got rid of it when he was around 4 months old. He spends all day with me and usually just in the office so it's pretty small and he sleeps a lot of the time.

Thanks for the concern.

Do understand that you dont want to see him in a crate. BUT depending on the severity of his injury (it may not be that bad) but if it is then the reason for crating would be to stop ALL movement. If he's still ike this tomorrow would it be worth going back to your vets or at least give them a ring to see if his "behaviour" is to be expected and if so how long for?

((((hugs))) to Harley

Vix · by Vix on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 16:46

watts1974 wrote:Only major difference I can find is that metacam is a slightly weaker oral soluition whereas the rimadyl are palatable chewable tablets, the weakness of the metacam isn't necessarily a consideration as the amount could be increased and the tablets decreased if your with me. Lola took 1 1/2 a day when she hurt herself of the rimadyl.

thanks for that, so basically there's not really any point in metacam, just a larger quantity of a lower dosage drug?

**watts1974** · by **watts1974** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 16:47

BTW, I have just read that a side effect of metacam is loss of appetite.

Vix · by Vix on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 16:47

could well be that then!

**watts1974** · by **watts1974** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 16:48

Vix wrote:
watts1974 wrote:Only major difference I can find is that metacam is a slightly weaker oral soluition whereas the rimadyl are palatable chewable tablets, the weakness of the metacam isn't necessarily a consideration as the amount could be increased and the tablets decreased if your with me. Lola took 1 1/2 a day when she hurt herself of the rimadyl.

thanks for that, so basically there's not really any point in metacam, just a larger quantity of a lower dosage drug?

From what I read yes, its like when my son was ill he could either take 4, 5ml spoons of childrens ibuprofen in one go or 1 adult ibuprofen tablet.

Vix · by Vix on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 16:49

yeah get you, will bear that in mind Smile

**watts1974** · by **watts1974** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 16:50

Its possible (probable lol) that the vets get certain drugs from certain manufacturers so my vet has never mentioned metacam its always been rimadyl, maybe Harleys vets don't use rimadyl, only metacam?

**squidgy82000** · by **squidgy82000** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 16:50

poor harley

**My Bully's Keeper** · by **My Bully's Keeper** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 17:41

Right another funny thing. It's not just his back leg giving him problems, he licking like hell at his front paws too. He's restless, listless and frankly I'm worried about the tail thing.

He's had 4 little chicken wings before, he's been to the toilet okay though. I've given him Tropicana juice all day to increase his vitamin C level.

He's really in a worse state than China. He wasn't HALF as bad before he snuck out and played with Arnold last night. I'm taking him for a walk this evening when the OH gets in, not too far but he's desperate to be out.

**My Bully's Keeper** · by **My Bully's Keeper** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 17:42

watts1974 wrote:BTW, I have just read that a side effect of metacam is loss of appetite.

Thanks Watts, that's really helpful, he's not a massive eater but he's certainly been off his grub today.

**My Bully's Keeper** · by **My Bully's Keeper** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 17:43

Vix wrote:
My Bully's Keeper wrote:
Vix wrote:could you borrow one from a friend? or even buy a cheap one from ebay, might be worth it mate?

I'm adverse to the crate to be honest IMO. He was trained to use a crate but we got rid of it when he was around 4 months old. He spends all day with me and usually just in the office so it's pretty small and he sleeps a lot of the time.

Thanks for the concern.

Do understand that you dont want to see him in a crate. BUT depending on the severity of his injury (it may not be that bad) but if it is then the reason for crating would be to stop ALL movement. If he's still ike this tomorrow would it be worth going back to your vets or at least give them a ring to see if his "behaviour" is to be expected and if so how long for?

((((hugs))) to Harley

Thanks Vix, I'm seriously considering taking him back tomorrow. His behaviour is way different to all other times he's hurt his legs/paws.

**watts1974** · by **watts1974** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 17:52

Poor lad and poor you too, I know your going through hell watching him like this

Scooby · by Scooby on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 17:56

Im sorry to hear about your boy. Hope he feels better soon. Just be warned about rimadyl though. It is surrounded by controversy and there have been a lot of owners who have claimed their dogs have died becuase of taking this drug. It is said that it causes kidney failure. It certainly works for some dogs but not others so its worth looking into it before trying it. (as with any medication)

**My Bully's Keeper** · by **My Bully's Keeper** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 17:58

watts1974 wrote:Poor lad and poor you too, I know your going through hell watching him like this

Thanks Watts.

I was meant order loads of stuff for work today but my head's been all over the shop with worry about Harley and it's not been done. To some people it sounds daft, to others they understand, they're the only ones I'd even consider listening to. Smile

**watts1974** · by **watts1974** on Mon 02 Nov 2009, 18:05

It's horrible when they are ill or hurting, when Lola had cystitis I cried because she was crying in pain