Steve wrote:he or she was trying to say the dog was a Kc registered and was showing off these fake papers they no way the kennel club will registered that size of dog. they cant set a standard and let any size dog to register on that breed.

sparpit are kc registered so are amos bane/havoc lines also stockade they all produce 20 inch plus dogs all kc registered as for registering them the kc dont ask the height of dogs i have a kc bitch whos around the 19 1/2 inch mark and her mum around 18 and her sire around 20 1/2 all kc with no hung papers and the sire i used the guys been breeding that line for well over 20 years there are show lines and sporting lines with in the kc

less than ethical people will go to any lengths to hide their pitbulls under the staffy banner.
even registering them as staffies with the kc or whatever the accredited registry is where they live.

genuine staffy loving people wouldn't have a bar of these deliberately x bred mongrels.

smooth wrote:less than ethical people will go to any lengths to hide their pitbulls under the staffy banner.
even registering them as staffies with the kc or whatever the accredited registry is where they live.

genuine staffy loving people wouldn't have a bar of these deliberately x bred mongrels.

what would you know about genuine dogs in the uk apart from show stuff???stop bitching and put your money where your mouth is???not everyone stop breeding leggier staffs because the standard said so and is it a statuory thing ??and i do hope you are a breed expert and not a clueless keyboard merchant

nasher wrote:

smooth wrote:less than ethical people will go to any lengths to hide their pitbulls under the staffy banner.
even registering them as staffies with the kc or whatever the accredited registry is where they live.

genuine staffy loving people wouldn't have a bar of these deliberately x bred mongrels.

what would you know about genuine dogs in the uk apart from show stuff???stop bitching and put your money where your mouth is???not everyone stop breeding leggier staffs because the standard said so and is it a statuory thing ??and i do hope you are a breed expert and not a clueless keyboard merchant

i am

& you're not.

why does nearly every post end up back on this subject ??? lol
I'm not saying large parts of it aren't very informative and interesting and it 's nice to see passion of the people, my only wish was that the same passion was shared by some others for todays dogs and issues surrounding what could be the demise of both breeds.(probably a little dramatic!)
I'm not saying anyone who as made a reply to this post is guilty of the following, far from it, ( if i thought that I wouldn't have posted this reply) but there are others, that go on about lines and dogs from 50-70 years ago and seem quite the 'expert' on the history of the breed, and then are churning out pups to unregistered dogs,blatantly out of standard, where is the maintanence and improvement of the lines they are harping on about then?
maybe if they did we wouldn't be discussing "22inch registered staffy"

smooth wrote:

nasher wrote:

smooth wrote:less than ethical people will go to any lengths to hide their pitbulls under the staffy banner.
even registering them as staffies with the kc or whatever the accredited registry is where they live.

genuine staffy loving people wouldn't have a bar of these deliberately x bred mongrels.

what would you know about genuine dogs in the uk apart from show stuff???stop bitching and put your money where your mouth is???not everyone stop breeding leggier staffs because the standard said so and is it a statuory thing ??and i do hope you are a breed expert and not a clueless keyboard merchant

i am

& you're not.

Be nice to each other

temkade wrote:why does nearly every post end up back on this subject ??? lol
I'm not saying large parts of it aren't very informative and interesting and it 's nice to see passion of the people, my only wish was that the same passion was shared by some others for todays dogs and issues surrounding what could be the demise of both breeds.(probably a little dramatic!)
I'm not saying anyone who as made a reply to this post is guilty of the following, far from it, ( if i thought that I wouldn't have posted this reply) but there are others, that go on about lines and dogs from 50-70 years ago and seem quite the 'expert' on the history of the breed, and then are churning out pups to unregistered dogs,blatantly out of standard, where is the maintanence and improvement of the lines they are harping on about then?
maybe if they did we wouldn't be discussing "22inch registered staffy"

certain dogs within the kc or lines were never to the standard so why would you change that?and 70 years ago they wernt 16 inch dogs so some people do preserve a line and continue to do so only became an issue after the dda and the only dogs ive bred which was 1 litter in which ive kept 2 pups and 1 to a kennel preserving this line if your refering to me they are stockade kc lines all registered and just because they are not to standard they are classed as cross bred mongrels just shows how narrow minded some people actually are and if they are x bred mongrels why are these lines so popular in holland and sweden and highly regarded when you can legally own american dogs????

this havoc

from amos bane lines he was over 18 inch

he founded the sparpit line The sparpit kennels had good typical staffords that are and still shown today,they tended to be 17-18 inches in height but did well in the showring so are they x breed??they do tend to throw bitches at 19 inch and males over 20 just one of those things you cant stop genectics and throwbacks just like they have just had a black and tan labrador from 2 top show parents everyone was convinced it was a x breed when the kennel club done a dna test they were proven wrong and the dog was pure

you got pm smooth not a rude one this time lol

did i say i was refering to you? read back to what I said, i make no personal attacks on here!!! after all we all have our own opinion, some just like voicing it more than others!

my view is just that the standard is there for a reason, to unify a breed, standardise it and in many ways protect it.
whether we agree with it is is entirely a different matter.
of course not all pups bred fall into this standard, but hopefully it should be the exception not the 'norm' !
and all this debate over what the dog in question actually is proves this point!
I know we aren't going to agree and thats cool, we both are doing what we think is best for our breed.

temkade wrote:did i say i was refering to you? read back to what I said, i make no personal attacks on here!!! after all we all have our own opinion, some just like voicing it more than others!

my view is just that the standard is there for a reason, to unify a breed, standardise it and in many ways protect it.
whether we agree with it is is entirely a different matter.
of course not all pups bred fall into this standard, but hopefully it should be the exception not the 'norm' !
and all this debate over what the dog in question actually is proves this point!
I know we aren't going to agree and thats cool, we both are doing what we think is best for our breed.

cool only asked

no worries, not always best media to convey our thoughts and sometimes it's mis-read. x